On Mar 19, 1:36Â*pm, bobandcarole wrote:
On Mar 19, 12:31�pm, Tim wrote:

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Are you somebody that thinks America doesn't have a right to protect
its borders and keep the aliens out, or do we need to check your
greencard?

Mexicans are angry that the United States might protect its own
borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and stay
indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind
these Mexicans. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when
you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say,
"I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and
swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm
hardworking and honest -- except for when I broke into your house."
According to the Mexicans:

Â** You are required to let me stay in your house!

* You are required to add me to your family's insurance plan!

* You are required to educate my kids!

* You are required to provide other benefits to me and to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also
hardworking and honest, except for that breaking-in part)!

* If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my
friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my
right to be there!

* It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do,
and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hardworking and honest
person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house. And
what a deal it is for me! Sucker! I live in your house, contributing
only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can
do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish,
prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.

* Oh yeah, I demand that you learn my language!!! So you can
communicate with me.

Los mexicanos estamos enfadados de que los Estados Unidos pueden
proteger sus propias fronteras, podr�a hacer m�s dif�cil a hurtadillas
en este pa�s y permanece indefinidamente. Quiero ver si entiendo
correctamente la l�gica detr�s de estos mexicanos. Digamos que me
irrumpir en su casa. Digamos que cuando me descubra en tu casa, te
insisten en que me voy. Pero yo le digo, "He hecho todas las camas y
lavan los platos y la ropa y la hicieron barridos los pisos. Que he
hecho todas las cosas que no le gusta hacer. Soy trabajadora y honesta
- a excepci�n de cuando I irrumpieron en su casa. " De acuerdo a los
mexicanos:

Â* * Se requiere que usted quisiera permanecer en su casa!

* Usted est� obligado a a�adir yo a su familia plan de seguro!

* Usted tiene la obligaci�n de educar a mis hijos!

* Debe proporcionar otros beneficios a mi persona ya mi familia (mi
esposo har� todo lo que est� de su patio de trabajo, ya que tambi�n es
trabajadora y honesta, con la excepci�n de que las divisiones o en
parte)!

* Si intenta llamar a la polic�a o fuerza de m� voy a llamar a mis
amigos que su casa se piquete con pancartas que proclaman mi derecho
de estar ah�

* Es justo, despu�s de todo, porque usted tiene una bonita casa que
yo, y estoy tratando de mejorar mi persona. Soy un persona honesta y
trabajadora, con la excepci�n de bien, usted sabe, yo descanso en su
casa. �Y qu� es un negocio para m� Sucker! Yo vivo en su casa, lo que
contribuye s�lo una fracci�n del costo de mantener mi, y no hay nada
que pueda hacer al respecto, sin ser acusado de fr�o, insensible,
ego�sta, prejuicios, y el comportamiento intolerante.

On Mar 21, 9:28Â*am, bobandcarole wrote:
On Mar 19, 1:36Â*pm, bobandcarole wrote:



On Mar 19, 12:31�pm, Tim wrote:

e

Are you somebody that thinks America doesn't have a right to protect
its borders and keep the aliens out, or do we need to check your
greencard?

Mexicans are angry that the United States might protect its own
borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and stay
indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind
these Mexicans. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when
you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say,
"I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and
swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm
hardworking and honest -- except for when I broke into your house."
According to the Mexicans:

Â** You are required to let me stay in your house!

* You are required to add me to your family's insurance plan!

* You are required to educate my kids!

* You are required to provide other benefits to me and to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also
hardworking and honest, except for that breaking-in part)!

* If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my
friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my
right to be there!

* It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do,
and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hardworking and honest
person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house. And
what a deal it is for me! Sucker! I live in your house, contributing
only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can
do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish,
prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.

* Oh yeah, I demand that you learn my language!!! So you can
communicate with me.

Los mexicanos estamos enfadados de que los Estados Unidos pueden
proteger sus propias fronteras, podr�a hacer m�s dif�cil a hurtadillas
en este pa�s y permanece indefinidamente. Quiero ver si entiendo
correctamente la l�gica detr�s de estos mexicanos. Digamos que me
irrumpir en su casa. Digamos que cuando me descubra en tu casa, te
insisten en que me voy. Pero yo le digo, "He hecho todas las camas y
lavan los platos y la ropa y la hicieron barridos los pisos. Que he
hecho todas las cosas que no le gusta hacer. Soy trabajadora y honesta
- a excepci�n de cuando I irrumpieron en su casa. " De acuerdo a los
mexicanos:

Â* * Se requiere que usted quisiera permanecer en su casa!

* Usted est� obligado a a�adir yo a su familia plan de seguro!

* Usted tiene la obligaci�n de educar a mis hijos!

* Debe proporcionar otros beneficios a mi persona ya mi familia (mi
esposo har� todo lo que est� de su patio de trabajo, ya que tambi�n es
trabajadora y honesta, con la excepci�n de que las divisiones o en
parte)!

* Si intenta llamar a la polic�a o fuerza de m� voy a llamar a mis
amigos que su casa se piquete con pancartas que proclaman mi derecho
de estar ah�

* Es justo, despu�s de todo, porque usted tiene una bonita casa que
yo, y estoy tratando de mejorar mi persona. Soy un persona honesta y
trabajadora, con la excepci�n de bien, usted sabe, yo descanso en su
casa. �Y qu� es un negocio para m� Sucker! Yo vivo en su casa, lo que
contribuye s�lo una fracci�n del costo de mantener mi, y no hay nada
que pueda hacer al respecto, sin ser acusado de fr�o, insensible,
ego�sta, prejuicios, y el comportamiento intolerante.- Hide quoted text -

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muchas gracias

I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same
way folks who sneak into their country are treated.

What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan,
England? Are we more or less harsh then those governments?

I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of
the south illegally....

paul



bobandcarole wrote:
On Mar 19, 1:36 pm, bobandcarole wrote:
On Mar 19, 12:31�pm, Tim wrote:

e
Are you somebody that thinks America doesn't have a right to protect
its borders and keep the aliens out, or do we need to check your
greencard?

Mexicans are angry that the United States might protect its own
borders, might make it harder to sneak into this country and stay
indefinitely. Let me see if I correctly understand the thinking behind
these Mexicans. Let's say I break into your house. Let's say that when
you discover me in your house, you insist that I leave. But I say,
"I've made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and
swept the floors. I've done all the things you don't like to do. I'm
hardworking and honest -- except for when I broke into your house."
According to the Mexicans:

* You are required to let me stay in your house!

* You are required to add me to your family's insurance plan!

* You are required to educate my kids!

* You are required to provide other benefits to me and to my family
(my husband will do all of your yard work because he is also
hardworking and honest, except for that breaking-in part)!

* If you try to call the police or force me out, I will call my
friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my
right to be there!

* It's only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than I do,
and I'm just trying to better myself. I'm a hardworking and honest
person, except for well, you know, I did break into your house. And
what a deal it is for me! Sucker! I live in your house, contributing
only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can
do about it without being accused of cold, uncaring, selfish,
prejudiced, and bigoted behavior.

* Oh yeah, I demand that you learn my language!!! So you can
communicate with me.

Los mexicanos estamos enfadados de que los Estados Unidos pueden
proteger sus propias fronteras, podr�a hacer m�s dif�cil a hurtadillas
en este pa�s y permanece indefinidamente. Quiero ver si entiendo
correctamente la l�gica detr�s de estos mexicanos. Digamos que me
irrumpir en su casa. Digamos que cuando me descubra en tu casa, te
insisten en que me voy. Pero yo le digo, "He hecho todas las camas y
lavan los platos y la ropa y la hicieron barridos los pisos. Que he
hecho todas las cosas que no le gusta hacer. Soy trabajadora y honesta
- a excepci�n de cuando I irrumpieron en su casa. " De acuerdo a los
mexicanos:

* Se requiere que usted quisiera permanecer en su casa!

* Usted est� obligado a a�adir yo a su familia plan de seguro!

* Usted tiene la obligaci�n de educar a mis hijos!

* Debe proporcionar otros beneficios a mi persona ya mi familia (mi
esposo har� todo lo que est� de su patio de trabajo, ya que tambi�n es
trabajadora y honesta, con la excepci�n de que las divisiones o en
parte)!

* Si intenta llamar a la polic�a o fuerza de m� voy a llamar a mis
amigos que su casa se piquete con pancartas que proclaman mi derecho
de estar ah�

* Es justo, despu�s de todo, porque usted tiene una bonita casa que
yo, y estoy tratando de mejorar mi persona. Soy un persona honesta y
trabajadora, con la excepci�n de bien, usted sabe, yo descanso en su
casa. �Y qu� es un negocio para m� Sucker! Yo vivo en su casa, lo que
contribuye s�lo una fracci�n del costo de mantener mi, y no hay nada
que pueda hacer al respecto, sin ser acusado de fr�o, insensible,
ego�sta, prejuicios, y el comportamiento intolerante.

On Apr 6, 12:05 pm, Paul Oman wrote:
I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same
way folks who sneak into their country are treated.

What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan,
England? Are we more or less harsh then those governments?

I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of
the south illegally....

paul


Don't know about Mexico or Russia, but I suspect that Canada, England,
Japan (and many, many other countries) detain and deport.

As for those countries that are on a completely different level of
harshness, my thought is always that we shouldn't lower ourselves to
that sad level. We're supposed to be better than they are, and should
act like it.

BW

Paul Oman wrote:


I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same way
folks who sneak into their country are treated.

What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan, England?
Are we more or less harsh then those governments?

I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of the
south illegally....

paul


I suggest you all read " Building a North American Community"
sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. This book outlines the
agreements reached in 2005 by the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Among other things, they wish to have open borders by 2010 which is
why the US gov has refused to do anything about our southern border.
They also wish to have economies on a par which is why our dollar was
deliberately devalued to a par with Canada.
This book is cheap and is only 50 pages and offers a lot of insight
as to why things are happening as they are.
Gordon

On Apr 6, 4:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
Paul Oman wrote:

I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same way
folks who sneak into their country are treated.

What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan, England?
Are we more or less harsh then those governments?

I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of the
south illegally....

paul

I suggest you all read " Building a North American Community"
sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. This book outlines the
agreements reached in 2005 by the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Among other things, they wish to have open borders by 2010 which is
why the US gov has refused to do anything about our southern border.
They also wish to have economies on a par which is why our dollar was
deliberately devalued to a par with Canada.
This book is cheap and is only 50 pages and offers a lot of insight
as to why things are happening as they are.
Gordon



This is not true - in fact, bush and company have recently suspended
many environmental restrictions so they can build their fence along
the US/Mexico border (which won't work, but that's just my opinion).
Check out "www.snopes.com", a website dedicated to validating or
invalidating stories like this which has been making the rounds for
years. Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

BW wrote:
On Apr 6, 4:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
Paul Oman wrote:

I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same way
folks who sneak into their country are treated.
What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan, England?
Are we more or less harsh then those governments?
I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of the
south illegally....
paul
I suggest you all read " Building a North American Community"
sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. This book outlines the
agreements reached in 2005 by the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Among other things, they wish to have open borders by 2010 which is
why the US gov has refused to do anything about our southern border.
They also wish to have economies on a par which is why our dollar was
deliberately devalued to a par with Canada.
This book is cheap and is only 50 pages and offers a lot of insight
as to why things are happening as they are.
Gordon



This is not true - in fact, bush and company have recently suspended
many environmental restrictions so they can build their fence along
the US/Mexico border (which won't work, but that's just my opinion).
Check out "www.snopes.com", a website dedicated to validating or
invalidating stories like this which has been making the rounds for
years. Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

Bush did nothing until the political pressure became too great.
As for the rest, get the book and read it for yourself. This is not a
conspiracy book, it was published by the participants!
Gordon

On Apr 6, 7:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
BW wrote:
On Apr 6, 4:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
Paul Oman wrote:

I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same way
folks who sneak into their country are treated.
What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan, England?
Are we more or less harsh then those governments?
I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of the
south illegally....
paul
I suggest you all read " Building a North American Community"
sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. This book outlines the
agreements reached in 2005 by the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Among other things, they wish to have open borders by 2010 which is
why the US gov has refused to do anything about our southern border.
They also wish to have economies on a par which is why our dollar was
deliberately devalued to a par with Canada.
This book is cheap and is only 50 pages and offers a lot of insight
as to why things are happening as they are.
Gordon

This is not true - in fact, bush and company have recently suspended
many environmental restrictions so they can build their fence along
the US/Mexico border (which won't work, but that's just my opinion).
Check out "www.snopes.com", a website dedicated to validating or
invalidating stories like this which has been making the rounds for
years. Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

Bush did nothing until the political pressure became too great.
As for the rest, get the book and read it for yourself. This is not a
conspiracy book, it was published by the participants!
Gordon

Gordon,
With all due respect, did you look at the snopes website I posted?
BW

"BW" wrote in message
...
On Apr 6, 7:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
BW wrote:
On Apr 6, 4:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
Paul Oman wrote:

I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same way
folks who sneak into their country are treated.
What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan,
England?
Are we more or less harsh then those governments?
I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of
the
south illegally....
paul
I suggest you all read " Building a North American Community"
sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. This book outlines the
agreements reached in 2005 by the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Among other things, they wish to have open borders by 2010 which is
why the US gov has refused to do anything about our southern border.
They also wish to have economies on a par which is why our dollar was
deliberately devalued to a par with Canada.
This book is cheap and is only 50 pages and offers a lot of insight
as to why things are happening as they are.
Gordon

This is not true - in fact, bush and company have recently suspended
many environmental restrictions so they can build their fence along
the US/Mexico border (which won't work, but that's just my opinion).
Check out "www.snopes.com", a website dedicated to validating or
invalidating stories like this which has been making the rounds for
years. Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

Bush did nothing until the political pressure became too great.
As for the rest, get the book and read it for yourself. This is not a
conspiracy book, it was published by the participants!
Gordon

Gordon,
With all due respect, did you look at the snopes website I posted?
BW

I did, thanks. ;-) That damned snopes sqashes all the fun stuff, doesn't
it?

Gerry

BW wrote:
On Apr 6, 7:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
BW wrote:
On Apr 6, 4:11 pm, Gordon wrote:
Paul Oman wrote:
I've always felt we should folks who sneak into the USA the same way
folks who sneak into their country are treated.
What happens if you sneak into Canada, Russia, Mexico, Japan, England?
Are we more or less harsh then those governments?
I understand Mexico is not very nice to folks that enter Mexico of the
south illegally....
paul
I suggest you all read " Building a North American Community"
sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations. This book outlines the
agreements reached in 2005 by the US, Canada, and Mexico.
Among other things, they wish to have open borders by 2010 which is
why the US gov has refused to do anything about our southern border.
They also wish to have economies on a par which is why our dollar was
deliberately devalued to a par with Canada.
This book is cheap and is only 50 pages and offers a lot of insight
as to why things are happening as they are.
Gordon
This is not true - in fact, bush and company have recently suspended
many environmental restrictions so they can build their fence along
the US/Mexico border (which won't work, but that's just my opinion).
Check out "www.snopes.com", a website dedicated to validating or
invalidating stories like this which has been making the rounds for
years. Here's the link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp
Bush did nothing until the political pressure became too great.
As for the rest, get the book and read it for yourself. This is not a
conspiracy book, it was published by the participants!
Gordon

Gordon,
With all due respect, did you look at the snopes website I posted?
BW

With all due respect, the snopes site says nothing in respect to
"Building A North American Community" that I referred to.
Please go to http://www.cfr.org/publication/8102/ and read the pdf
file which is the book. Read carefully and between the lines.
BTW $1 usd is equal to $1 Canadian and has been for some time and will
stay there.
Gordon