On Jul 5, 12:48 am, Two meter troll wrote:
On Jul 4, 5:05 pm, Bruce wrote:



On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll

wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

. ..

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

Bruce in Bangkok
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modern:

http://www.bambooboats.com/prototype.html

traditional:

http://www.bamboocraft.net/gallery/s...y.php?cat=3043

http://www.vietnamboats.org/bambooboats.htm



sorry i forgot a couple:

http://www.acclaimimages.com/search_...mboo_boat.html

http://www.asiacard.co.uk/ecard929.html

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:48:22 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

On Jul 4, 5:05 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll



wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

. ..

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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modern:

http://www.bambooboats.com/prototype.html

This looks like bamboo covered with some form of goop. I've seen the
same thing done with PVC pipe.

traditional:

http://www.bamboocraft.net/gallery/s...y.php?cat=3043

Exactly what I described - poor folks, a bundle of poles lashed
together and next your you get to build another one.

http://www.vietnamboats.org/bambooboats.htm


Pictures too small to view but one boat looks like the"basket boats"
I saw in Nha Trang Vietnam. Again, a new boat every year.

But the fact that you can do something does not mean that it is the
best way to do something. If the vast majority of boat builders in
countries where bamboo grows do not use it to build boats then a canny
bloke would, perhaps, begin to wonder why not?

As I mentioned above, the Bugis, who have been building wooden
commercial sailing vessels for at least 400 years do not use bamboo
in any meaningful way. Is there a reason why?





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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:05:37 -0000, Two meter troll
wrote:

On Jul 5, 12:48 am, Two meter troll wrote:
On Jul 4, 5:05 pm, Bruce wrote:



On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:00:07 -0000, Two meter troll

wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

. ..

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

Well, I've lived in SE Asia for 30 years and I haven't seen bamboo
used to build boats. What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats.

I have also seen it used to make battens for junk type sails where it
lasted about one year. I did ask the blokes running the junk "why
bamboo" and they answered "cheap".

Probably some of the last commercial sailing boats were the Bugis
schooners from S. Sulawasi that didn't use bamboo to build their
boats.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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modern:

http://www.bambooboats.com/prototype.html

traditional:

http://www.bamboocraft.net/gallery/s...y.php?cat=3043

http://www.vietnamboats.org/bambooboats.htm



sorry i forgot a couple:

http://www.acclaimimages.com/search_...mboo_boat.html

These are woven boats, I believe from Vietnam. When I was in Nha Trang
I saw some of the bowl shaped boats but the majority of the fishing
boats I saw were wooden.

http://www.asiacard.co.uk/ecard929.html
As I said a bunch of bamboo bundled into a raft....

As I said, "What I have seen is bamboo used to build rafts by
lashing bundles of bamboo together -- by people too poor to be able to
afford wooden boats."

You have showed me pictures of a number of rafts made by tying bamboo
stalks together and a few pictures of woven bamboo boats which appear
to be solely used in Vietnam and I would guess by people too poor to
have a wooden boat.

Still doesn;t make bamboo a good boat building material.


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On Jul 3, 5:12 pm, Bill wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:11 pm, Bruce wrote:





On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, Bill

wrote:
So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill

You know? I'd have another think about using bamboo for a mast.
Bamboo is a funny material as even though thoroughly cured it still
warps easily. In addition there are many different types of bamboo -
I'm not a specialist in bamboo but living in Thailand I do come in
contact with it and it is far less rigid then I had once thought.

If you are building a 27 ft. boat you must be thinking about a mast of
about the same length and I would have grave doubts that a single
stick of bamboo is going to be stiff enough.

Bruce in Bangkok
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I'm treating the bamboo with epoxy on the inside and glassing the
outside. It wont absorb any water

Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

and it wont split plus the 10oz.
glass will help to make it a little stiffer and increase the strength
of the material. Bamboo is really strong stuff so I am pretty
confident. I am getting two just in case one breaks and it is fairly
inexpensive material. If it doesn't work I can make a new mast out of
solid wood.

Keep your solid wood handy

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Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

I'm not leaving it in the water. It is going to be stored on land.
Both ends swill be plugged. You can argue the ideal possibilities all
day but its basically doing a wood/fiberglass composite structure
using bamboo. Bamboo is a very strong natural structure and I am
using a pole much wider than recommended to increase strength even
more. You and Bruce don't have to sail on it. I need it light weight
to go faster and get better handling characterisitcs. Why do you care
so much? Have you ever tried it? Are you invested in my project in
some way? Why not just say 'good luck and let me know if it works
out'?

http://www.jmbamboo.com/boats.htm

http://www.skillsusa.org/champions/2.../boat1_Big.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wayfinders/polynesian8.html

http://borobudurshipexpedition.com/leg02-report.htm

None of these are rafts.

On Jul 5, 1:30 pm, Bill wrote:
Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

I'm not leaving it in the water. It is going to be stored on land.
Both ends swill be plugged. You can argue the ideal possibilities all
day but its basically doing a wood/fiberglass composite structure
using bamboo. Bamboo is a very strong natural structure and I am
using a pole much wider than recommended to increase strength even
more. You and Bruce don't have to sail on it. I need it light weight
to go faster and get better handling characterisitcs. Why do you care
so much? Have you ever tried it? Are you invested in my project in
some way? Why not just say 'good luck and let me know if it works
out'?

Well, sorry you are so defensive. The reason I care is this is a
builders group, and I am a builder. You came here for help (unless you
are just dreaming and bragging) and I thought I was helping. Screw you
though, I won't make that mistake again. I can't imagine coming to
someone for help, then turning into an ahole when you hear something
you don't want to hear or address, but that's just me.

On Jul 5, 2:55 pm, wrote:
On Jul 5, 1:30 pm, Bill wrote:

Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

I'm not leaving it in the water. It is going to be stored on land.
Both ends swill be plugged. You can argue the ideal possibilities all
day but its basically doing a wood/fiberglass composite structure
using bamboo. Bamboo is a very strong natural structure and I am
using a pole much wider than recommended to increase strength even
more. You and Bruce don't have to sail on it. I need it light weight
to go faster and get better handling characterisitcs. Why do you care
so much? Have you ever tried it? Are you invested in my project in
some way? Why not just say 'good luck and let me know if it works
out'?

Well, sorry you are so defensive. The reason I care is this is a
builders group, and I am a builder. You came here for help (unless you
are just dreaming and bragging) and I thought I was helping. Screw you
though, I won't make that mistake again. I can't imagine coming to
someone for help, then turning into an ahole when you hear something
you don't want to hear or address, but that's just me.

And don't bother, I won't be returning to this thread. So just keep
your dream going, hope it works out well for you.

Well, sorry you are so defensive. The reason I care is this is a
builders group, and I am a builder. You came here for help (unless you
are just dreaming and bragging) and I thought I was helping. Screw you
though, I won't make that mistake again. I can't imagine coming to
someone for help, then turning into an ahole when you hear something
you don't want to hear or address, but that's just me.

I posted an update of my build for all the people that might be
interested and I immediately get replies of 'why would you do that,
that wont ever work and it's not a good idea' from people that have
never tried it before. The responses I got from you and Bruce were
very harsh and from people that have not even stated any experience
with this material. In my experience when two people interested in
building something are talking a project it is more constructive than
that. You ask questions if you don't know and make polite
suggestions, you don't say things like it could never be a permanent
solution, if you haven't tried it. You don't jump all over someone
that has been planning or many months after thingkin about it for five
minutes. Sorry if I seem a bit defensive but I came here to share and
post a little something to an otherwise low active group and I get
attacked by several people that think they know everything. Next time
you try to help someone maybe you could be polite about it. That goes
for Bruce even more, just because you never did it doesn't mean it
can't be done.

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:30:00 -0700, Bill
wrote:

Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

I'm not leaving it in the water. It is going to be stored on land.
Both ends swill be plugged. You can argue the ideal possibilities all
day but its basically doing a wood/fiberglass composite structure
using bamboo. Bamboo is a very strong natural structure and I am
using a pole much wider than recommended to increase strength even
more. You and Bruce don't have to sail on it. I need it light weight
to go faster and get better handling characterisitcs. Why do you care
so much? Have you ever tried it? Are you invested in my project in
some way? Why not just say 'good luck and let me know if it works
out'?

As for me, I believe I specifically stated that it was your boat, with
the implication that you should do as you want.

Have I ever tried it - yes I have attempted to use bamboo for a number
of purposes on a boat and it was never as effective as either wood or
other materials, to the extent that I always had to replace the bamboo
with another material thus causing myself twice the work.

As far as saying "good luck and let me know how it works", I always
thought it polite when you saw someone peeing to windward to advise
them that if they peed downwind they wouldn't get their pant legs wet.


Bruce in Bangkok
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