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Commercial - Wilderness Tripping Canoe Plans
Guess the story keeps getting better all the time... later
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oh yea. That's a different friend also. Do I need to provide a list?
Come on man. I'm not saying to not give your opinion. Just to relax a little. Backyard Renegade wrote: Matt Langenfeld wrote in message ink.net... If you do also recall, we had a further conversation in the e-mail and I detailed what goes into my designs/plans. You said "Oh well I feel better knowing that". Or something to that effect. This is certainly not the conversation we had Yes I have a couple friends who are naval desingers, one for the Dutch Navy, and I get their opinions. This is certainly not the conversation we had, you told me he was a employee of a local plastic kayak maker.... |
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Matt Langenfeld wrote in message link.net...
oh yea. That's a different friend also. Do I need to provide a list? So you are running these by.. whoever? Are you registered with the USCG for building? Just how many actual boats have you built? Sold? Do you test your boats before selling the plans, or build after like the last photo you posted? Or did you just grab a cad program on the net and of course being an "engineer" for 30 years figure you could just design plans and give them rediculous and I mean rediculous "estimated build times" to draw in the unknowing? Honestly, when you came here you did know you were coming to sell your new cad plans, right? Do you support your plans, and if you have not built them, how?... This is just the beginning, I gotta eat but it's a start.. Hope I was "nice" enough to get a response but there is a lot more at stake here for the first time builders than you seem to know... even being an engineer and running your plans by, well, whoever... Yes, you should have a list, especially when you seem to have no credentials... Come on man. I'm not saying to not give your opinion. Just to relax a little. Backyard Renegade wrote: Matt Langenfeld wrote in message ink.net... If you do also recall, we had a further conversation in the e-mail and I detailed what goes into my designs/plans. You said "Oh well I feel better knowing that". Or something to that effect. This is certainly not the conversation we had Yes I have a couple friends who are naval desingers, one for the Dutch Navy, and I get their opinions. This is certainly not the conversation we had, you told me he was a employee of a local plastic kayak maker.... |
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ok those are valid questions. I'll do my best to answer:
-When I run into something new, for example I had someone ask my opinion about making a fiberglass kayak from a mold, then I do research or ask someone who I think will know to see if what I think makes sense. Better to be safe then have pride. I frequently get requests to do power boats that I say no to. 1) I prefer paddle power, 2) there's more to power boats that others are simply better at. I'm not the final authority expert by any means. I may dable in some in the future, but I'm in no hurry. I want to enjoy this. "Are you registered with the USCG for building? Just how many actual boats have you built? Sold?" -I don't build for resale. I have built for some friends who bought the materials but I'm not a patient enough builder to be a good reseller. Mine look good, but not great in my opinion. I build to be used, not for looking at. No USCG registration. I've done 6 boats for myself, 2 others for friends, and helped on a couple of power/sail boats. I've also done a bunch of mock ups/tests to see how wood bends and reacts to certain twists. The tests exceed, usually double, what I want to try. I use Home Depot quality wood. If it passes those tests, then I feel better about trying to incorporate them into my plans. The first lines of the Cape Fear cause my wood to split. It was a total re-do. "Do you test your boats before selling the plans, or build after like the last photo you posted?" Reference above about mock ups for new model ideas. I did build a prototype Sit On Top BEFORE the plans were cut loose. I didn't post pictures because, quite frankly, it looked like crap and I didn't think it looked professional enough to be put on the website. When I finished it, I posted the pictures. That one has been a nice seller for me. In the boat plans world, pictures=sales. CAD images aren't so good. Just look at the reaction they get out of you. I'm not an engineer of 30 years. Sorry if that's the impression I gave. The estimated build times are "touch times". They don't include waiting for epoxy to cure. "Honestly, when you came here you did know you were coming to sell your new cad plans, right? Do you support your plans, and if you have not built them, how?" I came to offer opinion, learn things and make people aware of my new stuff. You'd be surprized the ideas you get just talking about boats. Hopefully I'm helping inspire ideas in others. I support my plans by knowing the safety factors I built into them and the various experiences I've had building. I use my knowledge from my primary career as an engineer to help shape the hulls but also make them builder friendly. I work in a small custome assembly facility...only 100 people. So I'm not a hard-core number crunching engineer. I'm a jack of many trades there. I have the technical education...and Associates, BS, and Masters, but I don't have the qualifications of Evan or Jacques. No secret or surpize there. Books give you the foundation. It's how you apply your knowledge that counts. That's a whole other discussion. As for my list of friends, I'm not going to go there without them saying it's cool. And it's a long list. I don't run every idea I have by them. Just the ones I'm not sure about. Scott (not you Scotty), formally of Wilderness Systems, has provided the most info. Next questions! I am on vacation for a week starting this saturday. So if you don't get me before then, I won't be able to answer your inquisition. Get on it boy. Inquiring minds want to know! lol Actually, I'd be surprized if someone else on this news group actually gives a crap about our little conversation. |
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From the point that it takes up bandwidth - yes !!
Does Scotty, 'peddle' his stuff? - yes, but subtlety, and with pictures & finished proof. Regards, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop {also with 3 degrees and 'hands on' experience} "Matt Langenfeld" wrote SNIP Actually, I'd be surprized if someone else on this news group actually gives a crap about our little conversation. |
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"Ron Magen" wrote in message ...
From the point that it takes up bandwidth - yes !! Does Scotty, 'peddle' his stuff? - yes, but subtlety, and with pictures & finished proof. Regards, Ron Magen Backyard Boatshop {also with 3 degrees and 'hands on' experience} "Matt Langenfeld" wrote SNIP Actually, I'd be surprized if someone else on this news group actually gives a crap about our little conversation. There will be no more bandwidth wasted by the Backyard Renegade... |
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There will be no more bandwidth wasted by the Backyard Renegade...
Don't say that, Scotty. You know you'll be back eventually (who could resist?) and we'll be waiting with a cold one for you. ;-) Steve |
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