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Where to get these vents - With a link to pictures
Maybe I misunderstand but are you asking about the little round ones close
to the sole? I don't know where to find them but if that is all the venting for that engine box, your engine will not get enough air. It would not be sufficient for a gas engine but diesels need twice the air of a gas engine. There should be large louver vents on the front or side of the engine cover. If that is not possible esthetically, you may want a blower that sends air in the bilges. PS: engine installations where my primary business for 10 years. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "Gary Warner" wrote in message ... I've asked a few times if anyone knows where to get vents like these, but this time I actually have a link to pictures - so that may help. These are pictures of an engine cover on a boat similar to ours. http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=...21b321e102454c Thanks! Gary |
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"Jacques Mertens" wrote in message ... It would not be sufficient for a gas engine but diesels need twice the air of a gas engine. If the two engines are of equal capacity and turning at the same speed and both are say four stroke engines then why would diesel require twice the amount of air? |
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Compression ratio.
"L & D milligan" wrote in message ... "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message ... It would not be sufficient for a gas engine but diesels need twice the air of a gas engine. If the two engines are of equal capacity and turning at the same speed and both are say four stroke engines then why would diesel require twice the amount of air? |
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"Jacques Mertens" wrote in message news Compression ratio. Makes sense. But wouldn't the higher compression ratio of diesels be at least partially offset, if not completely, by their significantly lower operating RPM's when compared to gas engines? Seems between these two offsetting factors, air consumption should be pretty close to the same given similar displacement and operating duties. Just thinking out load. |
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It has nothing to do with compression ratio actually. The amount of air is
increased because a diesel has no throttle blade nor is any measurable amount of manifold vacuum created. A diesel of say 400 cubic inches uses the same air a gas engine of 400 cubic inches would if it were run wide open 100% of the time. -- Steve ======================= Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box "L & D milligan" wrote in message ... "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message ... It would not be sufficient for a gas engine but diesels need twice the air of a gas engine. If the two engines are of equal capacity and turning at the same speed and both are say four stroke engines then why would diesel require twice the amount of air? |
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Where to get these vents - With a link to pictures
But you would need to size vents for full throttle anyway .... I think we are all guessing so far .... I'd have thought a "gas" ( petrol in this part of the world ) engine might have been less forgiving of pressure drop through the vents. Or it might be something to do with cooling? David "Steve Barker" wrote in message ... It has nothing to do with compression ratio actually. The amount of air is increased because a diesel has no throttle blade nor is any measurable amount of manifold vacuum created. A diesel of say 400 cubic inches uses the same air a gas engine of 400 cubic inches would if it were run wide open 100% of the time. -- Steve ======================= Remove the not dot from my address to abuse my email box "L & D milligan" wrote in message ... "Jacques Mertens" wrote in message ... It would not be sufficient for a gas engine but diesels need twice the air of a gas engine. If the two engines are of equal capacity and turning at the same speed and both are say four stroke engines then why would diesel require twice the amount of air? |
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 10:05:14 -0400, "Jacques Mertens"
wrote: Maybe I misunderstand but are you asking about the little round ones close to the sole? I don't know where to find them but if that is all the venting for that engine box, your engine will not get enough air. It would not be sufficient for a gas engine but diesels need twice the air of a gas engine. There should be large louver vents on the front or side of the engine cover. If that is not possible esthetically, you may want a blower that sends air in the bilges. PS: engine installations where my primary business for 10 years. Aren't you puzzled by your observance that Chris-Craft designed an engine box which would prevent an engine from running? Actually, the engine is not totally dependent on these small vents for air for the engine. The engine box is not somehow hermetically sealed to the floorboards. Many, if not most, runabouts have no holes in the engine box. In a runabout the air flows from the bow of the boat to the rear. Typically, a runabout has a forward facing vent on the foredeck. This vent typically has a tube underneath it which extends to the bilge. Also, the area between the dashboard and the upper floorboards (placed at a roughly 45 degree angle) is almost always open on a runabout. Usually, a runabout will have another set of forward-facing vents at the forward end of the engine compartment. On a "utlity" type of boat (engine in a box) like Mr. Warner's, these vents are on the side decks. These vents have a tube underneath also. On the rear deck there will be two aft facing vents. These have no tubes. The whole idea is, of course, to promote air circulation low in the bilge so that explosive vapors do not accumulate. Most runabouts are designed so that there is nothing to impede air flow in the bilge from stem to stern. Air supply for the engine comes to some extent from the air flow provided by this on deck vent arrangement. However, I suppose most air for the engine comes from the bilge area. And the main supply for this area is the space between the dashboard and floorboards forward. My guess is that the vents on Mr. Warner's Sea Skiff are there largely for style considerations. Some Sea Skiffs have a plywood "bulkhead" forward of the dashboard which goes from keel to deck. If this Sea Skiff has this bulkhead, the additional vents on the box might actually be providing additional marginal air supply. However, a Sea Skiff has steam bent frames. There will always be a opening for air circulation between these frames where the floorboards meet the hull sides. Chris-Craft would not design a boat in which the engine was sealed so that it would not run. |
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I hope not but not would bet too much on it.
I saw at least two production boats from major companies that had such a flaw. The 1st was an Elvstrom designed sailboat with a Volvo in the saloon, under the table. It counted on air from the bilges to run and died after 10 minutes unless you opened the box. The other one was a sportfishing boat in the 40' range. The owner wondered why with the same engines he could not go as fast as the other boats in his category. During a sea trial, I noticed that you could not open the engine hatches: they were sealed tight from the vacuum! I wedged a piece of 2x4 under the hatch and the boat ran 5 knots faster! That Chris-Craft may very well have been designed for a gas engine that does not require as much air. Anyway, I was just trying to help. -- Jacques http://www.bateau.com "P.C. Ford" wrote in message ... Chris-Craft would not design a boat in which the engine was sealed so that it would not run. |
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