I just "happened" to buy all of the tools and equipment of a boatbuilding
shop (And yes, I'm bragging about it whenever I can)

One of the gems that was found in the pile was an old marine head "A.B.
Sands&Sons Co. New York".

A few images:
http://www.liukuma.net/phuhta/Pb110047.jpg
http://www.liukuma.net/phuhta/Pb110046.jpg

What can you tell about it? There is a lid for the head as well, split but
repairable. I am dreaming of putting that one for the future "dreamboat of
mine", but as it probably takes fifteen years to go, I'm not sure wether I
would keep it or not.

What might be the value of the head? What's the history of the company?

Pekka
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On 18 Nov 04 13:38:17 GMT, (Pekka Huhta)
wrote:

One of the gems that was found in the pile was an old marine head "A.B.
Sands&Sons Co. New York".

What might be the value of the head? What's the history of the company?

Ah, yes...the riddle of the Sands.

Couldn't resist, I'm afraid.

R.

Congradulations on your purchase of the boat building tools and equipment.

That said, I can't tell you much about your old head other han it was most
likely built/designed before the requirement for holding tanks (or sewage
treatment). This head will most likely use more flushing water and fill
your holding tank much faster than the modern marine head.

I'm using an old (pre-holding tank) Groco, all bronze model myself and have
noted that it uses about a half gallon of flushing water on each flush. Not
good with a small holding tank. If I try to restrict the flush volume too
much, it becomes difficult to pump on the flush portion of the pump stroke.

My opinion and experience, FWIW.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

rhys wrote:
On 18 Nov 04 13:38:17 GMT, (Pekka Huhta)
wrote:

One of the gems that was found in the pile was an old marine head "A.B.
Sands&Sons Co. New York".

What might be the value of the head? What's the history of the company?

Ah, yes...the riddle of the Sands.

But, but, that was the North Sea - pretty far from N.Y.!

Couldn't resist, I'm afraid.

R.

NCI, Eike

On 18 Nov 04 13:38:17 GMT, (Pekka Huhta)
wrote:
One of the gems that was found in the pile was an old marine head "A.B.
Sands&Sons Co. New York".

What might be the value of the head? What's the history of the company?

I thought I knew every US marine toilet mfr who ever existed, but you've
managed to stump me with that one...but I know a few people who've been
in this business a decade or two longer than I have...one of them will
know. I'll get back to you.


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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

The only reference I have found is frm an auction sale in Thomaston, ME, in
2001:

"SHIP CAPTAINS SINK - MAHOGANY FRAMED, WHITE PORCELAIN BOWL INSERT, BRUSHED
ALUMINUM FIXTURES & HARDWARE, MANUFACTURED BY A. B. SANDS & SON CO., MARINE
PLUMBING SUPPLIES, 20 1/2"H X 19 1/2"W X 4 1/2"D, CONDITION: MINOR RIM CHIP TO
BOWL, OXIDATION ON HARDWARE, FINISH FLAKED DOWN TO NATURAL WOOD
"

Selling price was $550.

Steve

Pekka Huhta wrote:
I just "happened" to buy all of the tools and equipment of a boatbuilding
shop (And yes, I'm bragging about it whenever I can)

One of the gems that was found in the pile was an old marine head "A.B.
Sands&Sons Co. New York".
What might be the value of the head? What's the history of the company?

AB Sands is more likely to be the bowl mfr...marine toilet mfrs don't
make bowls .they buy 'em from potteries that do (and who also make the
seats/lids...and those potteries do put their names on 'em, leading a
lot of new owners of used boats to think the bowl brand name is the
toilet brand.

The oldest US marine toilet mfr is Wilcox-Crittenden...and it appears to
me to be one of their early models on which someone has used copper pipe
for the flush water intake line and replaced the original discharge
fitting with a stainless elbow. I've forwarded your post with the photos
to someone at W-C who's been around long enough to know if I'm right.

Antique marine toilets don't really have any collectable or antique
value...so the only value the toilet might have is its scrap metal
value, and whatever admiration from other classic boat restorers would
have for it IF you can restore it...which may cost more than whole
toilet cost cost originally.


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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1

Peggie Hall writes:
AB Sands is more likely to be the bowl mfr...marine toilet mfrs don't
make bowls .they buy 'em from potteries that do (and who also make the
seats/lids...and those potteries do put their names on 'em, leading a
lot of new owners of used boats to think the bowl brand name is the
toilet brand.

Probably it will be best if I check the markings on the bronze castings
and return after that. All the seals and valves have been checked and
replaced where necessary so it's on perfect operating condition.

Antique marine toilets don't really have any collectable or antique
value...so the only value the toilet might have is its scrap metal
value, and whatever admiration from other classic boat restorers would
have for it IF you can restore it...which may cost more than whole
toilet cost cost originally.

That much of bronze, useless? No way

Apparently these toilets use a LOT of water, I guess? Is there any other
reason for scrapping a beauty like that? If I somehow manage to get that
dreamboat of mien built, I definitely will have space for a little larger
septic tank anyway.

Actually it's fully operating anf the seals are all been renewed, only the
lid has to be glued together and re-finished.

Thanks, Peggie, again for your knowledge and care. If you hear anything
from Wilcox, please let me know.

Pekka


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