Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
but many of those negatives can be overcome.

Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through
a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill
it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down
on the noise

Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler
than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible
to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator
which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation
in even a small enclosed engine compartment.

My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price
and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also
assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e.
you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver
out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use
anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair
parts. I would suggest the following engine:

http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/prod...5&productid=40

The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar
tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the
aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on
construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work).
They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer
worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays
for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot
of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to
whatever trani you have been able to find.

Let us know how it works out for you


David
S/V Nausicaa

"dbraun" wrote in message alkaboutboats.com...
Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
but many of those negatives can be overcome.

Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through
a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill
it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down
on the noise

Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler
than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible
to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator
which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation
in even a small enclosed engine compartment.

My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price
and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also
assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e.
you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver
out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use
anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair
parts. I would suggest the following engine:

http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/prod...5&productid=40

The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar
tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the
aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on
construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work).
They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer
worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays
for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot
of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to
whatever trani you have been able to find.

Let us know how it works out for you


David
S/V Nausicaa


To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
Fiat. 'nuf said.

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
Fiat. 'nuf said.


And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
American cars to complete shame.

johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are
required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their country
of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is
because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the USA as
"automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American public could
reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an automobile for its money.
The FTC won the suit.

To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
Fiat. 'nuf said.


And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
American cars to complete shame.

(JAXAshby) wrote in
:

johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size
are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to
their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you
know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
a fire extinguisher.


also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the
USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American
public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an
automobile for its money.
The FTC won the suit.

According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're
not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising?
Different animal..



To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about
Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a
division of Fiat. 'nuf said.


And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
American cars to complete shame.

well, that is NOT what Fiat of American said.

but, who are they to know?

johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size
are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to
their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you
know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
a fire extinguisher.


also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the
USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American
public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an
automobile for its money.
The FTC won the suit.

According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're
not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising?
Different animal..



To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about
Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a
division of Fiat. 'nuf said.


And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
American cars to complete shame.

mikey, what "automobiles" -- besides Fiats -- catch fire in the Europen
Economic Union? Understand that Fiat is NOT sold in the US of A, and can not
be sold in the US of A.

johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size
are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to
their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you
know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
a fire extinguisher.


also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the
USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American
public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an
automobile for its money.
The FTC won the suit.

According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're
not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising?
Different animal..



To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about
Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a
division of Fiat. 'nuf said.


And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
American cars to complete shame.

Mike wrote:

(JAXAshby) wrote in
:


Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
a fire extinguisher.

this is not true. No fire extinguisher is required on new cars anywhere in
the EEC.

"JAXAshby" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are
required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their
country
of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is
because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

You try to sell bull****!
I am in Italy, I am born in Italy, I drive in Italy from 1970.
I don't have a fire estinguisher in my car... Isn't mandatory nor sold as
original equipment. Newer been.
Newer seen a Fiat in fire, in last 50 years, at least here... Do you?
The true is that you don't know anything about Italy, Italian industry and
European laws, but, because noone knows, you try to sell your bull****.
After this you are the next guest of my killfile...

Paolo
from Pisa, Italy

P.S. Ducati never been part of Fiat... But who cares?
Ducati (only one t) don't produce, sell or promote marine engines, Ducati as
produced, after the WW2, only a small outboard and only for a short period.






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