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Term for the ornate stern of ships like HMS Victory
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:57:22 +0700 Bruce In Bangkok
) wrote: First you state that taffrail comes from the Dutch word for an ornate stern of a ship and then you state that it comes from the word that specifically refers to an ornately decorated stern rail. I don't think you can have it both ways. Either the term applies to a stern or a rail. The closest word in Dutch might be "tafel" - which means table. Gebeeldhouwd means carved and a carved railing would be gebeeldhouwd hekwerk. Taffrail sounds also very much like "tafereel" and guess what Google gave with "taffrail tafereel": http://www.dictionary.net/taffrail -- Richard e-mail: vervang/replace invalid door/with NL.net |
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Term for the ornate stern of ships like HMS Victory
On Sun, 3 Jan 2010 13:59:14 GMT, Richard van den Berg
wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:57:22 +0700 Bruce In Bangkok ) wrote: First you state that taffrail comes from the Dutch word for an ornate stern of a ship and then you state that it comes from the word that specifically refers to an ornately decorated stern rail. I don't think you can have it both ways. Either the term applies to a stern or a rail. The closest word in Dutch might be "tafel" - which means table. Gebeeldhouwd means carved and a carved railing would be gebeeldhouwd hekwerk. Taffrail sounds also very much like "tafereel" and guess what Google gave with "taffrail tafereel": http://www.dictionary.net/taffrail Yes, tafereel translate to " picture, scene, description" in modern Dutch, Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Term for the ornate stern of ships like HMS Victory
Richard van den Berg wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:57:22 +0700 Bruce In Bangkok ) wrote: First you state that taffrail comes from the Dutch word for an ornate stern of a ship and then you state that it comes from the word that specifically refers to an ornately decorated stern rail. I don't think you can have it both ways. Either the term applies to a stern or a rail. The closest word in Dutch might be "tafel" - which means table. Gebeeldhouwd means carved and a carved railing would be gebeeldhouwd hekwerk. Taffrail sounds also very much like "tafereel" and guess what Google gave with "taffrail tafereel": http://www.dictionary.net/taffrail Ha! Bruce has many fine qualities, among which, the ready acceptance of a better answer than the one on which he has settled, does not show up. He will continue to argue the merits to unusual lengths. Watch! Brian W |
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Term for the ornate stern of ships like HMS Victory
I submit that the original poster asked, "I am trying to think of the
term used to describe the ornate sterns of ships such as the HMS Victory, with the windows and the gold scrollwork, etc." He was NOT looking for something to describe the top rail. Thus, according to this current post, "Yes, tafereel translate to " picture, scene, description" in modern Dutch, ", shows its descendancy. I believe that my comment that Taffrail was the correct term is correct. The sterns of ships were pictures or scenes, just as you would suspect. The more modern use of the word in marine environment is for the upper rail. BUT that is not what the poster asked for. He asked for the term to describe the ornate sterns of the ships and Taffrail is that term. AND, Gingerbread is definitely NOT. On Jan 4, 6:56*am, brian whatcott wrote: Richard van den Berg wrote: On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 07:57:22 +0700 Bruce In Bangkok ) wrote: First you state that taffrail comes from the Dutch word for an ornate stern of a ship and then you state that it comes from the word that specifically refers to an ornately decorated stern rail. I don't think you can have it both ways. Either the term applies to a stern or a rail. The closest word in Dutch might be "tafel" - which means table. Gebeeldhouwd means carved and a carved railing would be gebeeldhouwd hekwerk. Taffrail sounds also very much like "tafereel" and guess what Google gave with "taffrail tafereel":http://www.dictionary.net/taffrail Ha! Bruce has many fine qualities, among which, the ready acceptance of a better answer than the one on which he has settled, does not show up. * He will continue to argue the merits to unusual lengths. Watch! Brian W |
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Term for the ornate stern of ships like HMS Victory
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:56:54 -0600 brian whatcott
) wrote: Richard van den Berg wrote: Taffrail sounds also very much like "tafereel" and guess what Google gave with "taffrail tafereel": http://www.dictionary.net/taffrail Ha! Bruce has many fine qualities, among which, the ready acceptance of a better answer than the one on which he has settled, does not show up. He will continue to argue the merits to unusual lengths. Watch! Already at the start i found taffrail very much sounding like tafereel, but my translation would be "scenery", not very shiplike. The ongoing discussion made me put the two words in Google with a "what the heck" with a kind of surprising answer and some history. I'll wait if better explanations emerge ;-) -- Richard e-mail: vervang/replace invalid door/with NL.net |
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Term for the ornate stern of ships like HMS Victory
On Jan 4, 3:02*pm, Richard van den Berg
wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 06:56:54 -0600 brian whatcott ) wrote: Richard van den Berg wrote: Taffrail sounds also very much like "tafereel" and guess what Google gave with "taffrail tafereel":http://www.dictionary.net/taffrail Gingerbread Hatches: Luxurious quarters. Gingerbread Work: Profusely carved decorations of a ship. Taffrail, or Taffarel: The upper part of a ships stern, a curved railing, the ends of which unite to the quarter-pieces. Definitions from; The sailors Lexicon, The Classic Source for More Than 15,000 Nautical Terms. by Admiral W. H. Smyth (1788-1865), first issued 1867, 1996 edition, Published 2005, Hearst Books, New York. ISBN 1-58816-281-8. Ha! Bruce has many fine qualities, among which, the ready acceptance of a better answer than the one on which he has settled, does not show up. * He will continue to argue the merits to unusual lengths. Watch! Already at the start i found taffrail very much sounding like tafereel, but my translation would be "scenery", not very shiplike. The ongoing discussion made me put the two words in Google with a "what the heck" with a kind of surprising answer and some history. I'll wait if better explanations emerge ;-) -- Richard e-mail: vervang/replace invalid door/with NL.net |
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