"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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..... Expenses become a factor in the whole context of JL's
life which only he can determine himself.

Economics is a factor, isn't it always? A year ago when I gave my notice,
my retirement budget was 20% greater than it is today. Current economic
conditions have made me a lot more conservative.


I'm really sorry if I said anything bad to reflect upon you, I didn't mean
it. I was just giving a slightly outside of the box opinion. I hope things
pick up for you and all works out to exceed your expectations.

On 27 Sep, 14:13, jlrogers±³© wrote:
..... Expenses become a factor in the whole context of JL's
life which only he can determine himself.

Economics is a factor, isn't it always? A year ago when I gave my notice,
my retirement budget was 20% greater than it is today. Current economic
conditions have made me a lot more conservative.


You are not alone. I've got several freinds who have seen their
retirement
plans evaporate. For some of them the damage is more like
80% than 20%. It's quite scary.

I've been reading the discussion between Doug and Charles with some
interest. They both have very good points to make.

If you don't have much experience in the various boats
that you are looking at, then I would advise the
"cheap" boat route. As you asked the question in the
first place, I suspect that don't know the boats very well.

Whatever you do, do not kit the boat out for long
distance cruising until you are happy that you are
comfortable living on it.



Regards


Donal
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wrote:
Saddest post of the day.

Could you be more specific?

.... Maybe the month.

Oh is it that time of the month for you?

DSK

Could you be more specific?

wrote:
You need someone to explain a five word post to you?

Nope.
Your post was very unspecific, and I wondered if there were any
further details that could be instructive.

...Which of the big
words has you baffled?


Now I see... you're just being bitter again.

DSK

"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote:

How many times does one see a fully decked out boat, a few years old, that
some retiree is selling because they found out they don't like sailing
(once the novelty wears off) or they suffered some physical injury (like a
blown disc from hauling an anchor the wrong way) or their health is
failing?

That is the boat I'll be looking for.

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote:

How many times does one see a fully decked out boat, a few years old,
that some retiree is selling because they found out they don't like
sailing (once the novelty wears off) or they suffered some physical
injury (like a blown disc from hauling an anchor the wrong way) or their
health is failing?

That is the boat I'll be looking for.

That type of boat is a great value. Someone else took the hit on the
depreciation, you're in a position of strength negotiating price and the
boat is lightly used. You might look inland and up north. I've seen a number
of large boats used in lakes in the Rockies going at fire sale prices. They
aren't listed with brokers, try Craigslist.

"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote:

How many times does one see a fully decked out boat, a few years old,
that some retiree is selling because they found out they don't like
sailing (once the novelty wears off) or they suffered some physical
injury (like a blown disc from hauling an anchor the wrong way) or their
health is failing?

That is the boat I'll be looking for.

That type of boat is a great value. Someone else took the hit on the
depreciation, you're in a position of strength negotiating price and the
boat is lightly used. You might look inland and up north. I've seen a
number of large boats used in lakes in the Rockies going at fire sale
prices. They aren't listed with brokers, try Craigslist.

Thanks' for the tip. Have never used Craigslist.

I don't see that many opportunities to dip the eye around a bollard..

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jlrogers±³© wrote:
All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here
to
there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake
sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer
in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my
sailing was done 35 years ago.


Actually, the Navy experience can be valuable. For example, the way
the Navy handles dock lines is far better than the way most cruisers
do. 'Dipping the eye' and apply chafe gear are just two examples.



Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive
cruiser
for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail
alone with confidence.

Singlehanding is over rated IMHO.

It can be a lot of work or it can be a pleasure to be away from other
people.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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jlrogers±³© wrote:
All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here
to
there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake
sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer
in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my
sailing was done 35 years ago.


Actually, the Navy experience can be valuable. For example, the way
the Navy handles dock lines is far better than the way most cruisers
do. 'Dipping the eye' and apply chafe gear are just two examples.


I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school
in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet
due to Ike.

My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time
afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray.


That's an excellent plan, it can be fun too. You may find a berth
crewing on a passage or delivery; best way to see if you really like
it.

Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive
cruiser
for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail
alone with confidence.


Singlehanding is over rated IMHO.



Contessa
Westerly (Konsort)
Endeavour 32 Plan A
Cape Dory
Crealock (Pacific Seacraft)
Island Packet


Any of those would be great boats *if* properly equipped & maintained.
The Cape Dory will be the least roomy, the Endeavor the most roomy.
The Crealock would be my pick for heavy weather sailing but then I'd
prefer to avoid bad weather offshore.

Don't underestimate the importance of draft. If you have a deep keel,
you will be locked out of many desirable places on the South East
coast. My preference is about 4' draft or less, but that will
necessitate either a centerboard (which is a maintenance item) or
severely compromising windward ability.

Another caveat- if you're looking into an older boat, the level of
maintenance & upgraded equipment will be far more important than the
brand name stamped on the coaming. It would be easy to spend $60k
outiftting a small cruising boat... and not necessarily getting any
"fancy stuff."

Island Packets are great boats... roomy, well built, good sailing
characteristics...
Cape Dories are built like tanks and good sea boats too. No core
worries!
Contessa 32 is a legendary boat


Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live
aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a
sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000.


Aw heck, you can buy several for that price... the question is, what
will you have in it by the time you're satisfied with the condition &
equipment?

My suggestions-
-Consider a larger range of boats. There is no reason why a
singlehander could not handle & maintain a 35-footer as well as a 30
footer.
-Don't get hung up on "type of boat" until you have been actively
sailing on at least a dozen different ones (and you'll rack up
underway miles on different boats faster than you think, once you get
started). Instead, consider characteristics & features that you like
and that 'work for you.' It's a very personal choice.

As for boats....
Morgan 30 & Morgan 34
Soverel 30 (older model)
S2
Albin
Rival
Moody

Maybe a bit to racy, but it's an S&S ....guaranteed classic!
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1836713

While you're in Kemah, take a look at this one
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1930404

CS built some great boats
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1752699

The Caliber is a well-respected boat too...
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1965179

I mentioned Moody, they built good boats too. Here's one of the few
aft-cabin boats I like
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1615826



"Capt. Rob" wrote:
We have several "old timers" at our marina who set off now and again
with boats suitable for your plan.


Oh really? And did you ask them what they think, Bubbles?


Pearson 35....this old timer even came as a yawl and some were fit out
for blue water. A bargain, even when refit.


"Even came as a yawl" meaning what, exactly? Are yawls good?


..... No doubt others
will have much more to add.


No doubt. And there's a good reason why.


"Charles Momsen" wrote:
Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat
upfront,
buy a lower cost "value" boat first

He said he was retiring, not retiring in poverty with a big chip on
his shoulder.


More boats-

I'm not a big fan of wish-booms, but the cat-ketch rig is the easiest
to handle. IIRC these were built by Hinterhoeller
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1940305

Another one that's a bit on the racy side, but an awesome sailing boat
& comfortable enough for cruising
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1874738

Oh and take a look at some Ericsons, too.

There's a gazillion boats out there JL. It sounds like you're really
got a handle on putting yourself into the position you want, rather
than focussing on "buying a boat." Gathering info & skills, and making
contacts, is a very important part of the picture.

And if you find yourself in the coasstal Carolinas, by all means let
us know. you'd be very welcome and I can guarantee some sailing and
also meeting some long-term sailors who will be glad to talk.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

The first boat I ever wanted was a Non-such. Never had one though. The
second was the Caliber 40' long range cruiser. Never sailed either, just
bought their hype. They are both worthy of consideration, but "fully fitted
out for cruising" wouldn't they would be at least 50% to 65% more expensive
than some of the other boats mentioned? And are they any better?

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jlrogers±³© wrote:
All my life I've "dreamed" about retiring on a boat and sailing from here
to
there, as the spirit moves me. However, my only experience is some lake
sailing, a little Gulf of Mexico experience, and four years on a destroyer
in the navy. And, except for a couple of years in the 90's, most of my
sailing was done 35 years ago.


Actually, the Navy experience can be valuable. For example, the way
the Navy handles dock lines is far better than the way most cruisers
do. 'Dipping the eye' and apply chafe gear are just two examples.


I have now retired and I signed up for a series of ASA lessons at a school
in Kemah, TX, just to bone up and get my feet wet, but haven't started yet
due to Ike.

My plan is to take the lessons, join a sailing club, and spend some time
afloat to see if the passion dissolves in the salt spray.


That's an excellent plan, it can be fun too. You may find a berth
crewing on a passage or delivery; best way to see if you really like
it.

Assuming it doesn't, I will want to acquire a relatively inexpensive
cruiser
for step 2. I.e., learning to live aboard, maintain the boat, and sail
alone with confidence.


Singlehanding is over rated IMHO.
Different strokes. I was divoriced in 1971.


Contessa
Westerly (Konsort)
Endeavour 32 Plan A
Cape Dory
Crealock (Pacific Seacraft)
Island Packet


Any of those would be great boats *if* properly equipped & maintained.
The Cape Dory will be the least roomy, the Endeavor the most roomy.
The Crealock would be my pick for heavy weather sailing but then I'd
prefer to avoid bad weather offshore.

Don't underestimate the importance of draft. If you have a deep keel,
you will be locked out of many desirable places on the South East
coast. My preference is about 4' draft or less, but that will
necessitate either a centerboard (which is a maintenance item) or
severely compromising windward ability.

I want something no more that 41/2', and no centerboard.

Another caveat- if you're looking into an older boat, the level of
maintenance & upgraded equipment will be far more important than the
brand name stamped on the coaming. It would be easy to spend $60k
outiftting a small cruising boat... and not necessarily getting any
"fancy stuff."

Yes, I hope to buy a newly outfitted cruiser from someone who has "changed
their plans." It happens all the time and I can be patient.

Island Packets are great boats... roomy, well built, good sailing
characteristics...
Cape Dories are built like tanks and good sea boats too. No core
worries!
Contessa 32 is a legendary boat
Contessas are had to find here, however.

Which brings me to my question: what boat would you recommend for the live
aboard trial? Something no older that say 1983, between 28 and 35', a
sloop, that could be bought for no more than $60,000.


Aw heck, you can buy several for that price... the question is, what
will you have in it by the time you're satisfied with the condition &
equipment?

My suggestions-
-Consider a larger range of boats. There is no reason why a
singlehander could not handle & maintain a 35-footer as well as a 30
footer.
-Don't get hung up on "type of boat" until you have been actively
sailing on at least a dozen different ones (and you'll rack up
underway miles on different boats faster than you think, once you get
started). Instead, consider characteristics & features that you like
and that 'work for you.' It's a very personal choice.

As for boats....
Morgan 30 & Morgan 34
Soverel 30 (older model)
S2
Albin
Rival
Moody

Maybe a bit to racy, but it's an S&S ....guaranteed classic!
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1836713

While you're in Kemah, take a look at this one
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1930404

CS built some great boats
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1752699

The Caliber is a well-respected boat too...
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1965179

I mentioned Moody, they built good boats too. Here's one of the few
aft-cabin boats I like
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1615826



"Capt. Rob" wrote:
We have several "old timers" at our marina who set off now and again
with boats suitable for your plan.


Oh really? And did you ask them what they think, Bubbles?


Pearson 35....this old timer even came as a yawl and some were fit out
for blue water. A bargain, even when refit.


"Even came as a yawl" meaning what, exactly? Are yawls good?


..... No doubt others
will have much more to add.


No doubt. And there's a good reason why.


"Charles Momsen" wrote:
Congratulations on your retirement. Rather than get the ideal boat
upfront,
buy a lower cost "value" boat first

He said he was retiring, not retiring in poverty with a big chip on
his shoulder.


More boats-

I'm not a big fan of wish-booms, but the cat-ketch rig is the easiest
to handle. IIRC these were built by Hinterhoeller
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1940305

Another one that's a bit on the racy side, but an awesome sailing boat
& comfortable enough for cruising
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...oat_id=1874738

Oh and take a look at some Ericsons, too.

There's a gazillion boats out there JL. It sounds like you're really
got a handle on putting yourself into the position you want, rather
than focussing on "buying a boat." Gathering info & skills, and making
contacts, is a very important part of the picture.

And if you find yourself in the coasstal Carolinas, by all means let
us know. you'd be very welcome and I can guarantee some sailing and
also meeting some long-term sailors who will be glad to talk.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Washington, NC? I sailed from around there a long time ago.