On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:19:42 -0500, jeff wrote:

Spoken like a true powerboater. While that may make sense to you,
sailors can generally say, "I get rolled often by irresponsible
powerboaters, and I've never rolled anyone."

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in
some way, and don't even get me started on sailboats who expect the
right-of-way while under power, or who suddenly tack in front of a
moving powerboat and demand the right-of-way. Fortunately most of
them seem to understand that five blasts on the air horn is a danger
signal. My other pet peeve is sailboats who don't know how to analyze
a crossing situation, not realizing that I've already altered course
to pass astern of them.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:19:42 -0500, jeff
wrote:

Spoken like a true powerboater. While that may make
sense to you,
sailors can generally say, "I get rolled often by
irresponsible
powerboaters, and I've never rolled anyone."

The problem is that many sailors think that all
powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake
inconveniences them in
some way, and don't even get me started on sailboats who
expect the
right-of-way while under power, or who suddenly tack in
front of a
moving powerboat and demand the right-of-way.


Yes, it must be so difficult for you to turn that wheel a
bit. Do you have limp wrists?


Fortunately most of
them seem to understand that five blasts on the air horn
is a danger
signal.

Oh brother, I've seen this type before, blasting through a
crowd of boats, air horns and all.

SBV

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:48:27 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Yes, it must be so difficult for you to turn that wheel a
bit. Do you have limp wrists?

Would you tack in front of a freighter or cruise ship and expect them
to alter course for you? The issues are the same, only on a different
scale.

See Colregs Rule 17 (a) (i)

Rule 17

Action by Stand-on Vessel

(a)

(i) Where one of two vessels is to keep out of the way of the other
shall keep her course and speed.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:48:27 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

Yes, it must be so difficult for you to turn that wheel a
bit. Do you have limp wrists?

Would you tack in front of a freighter or cruise ship and
expect them
to alter course for you?


Of course not, don't be ridiculous. Not germane to this
discussion.



The issues are the same,



Hardly!


only on a different
scale.


Oh, the same but different, huh?


Stop making excuses for your childish actions.

SBV

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:00:11 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Stop making excuses for your childish actions.

Pot kettle black. Go back to your toy boat and continue whinning.

Carry on.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:00:11 -0500, "Scotty"
wrote:

Stop making excuses for your childish actions.

Pot kettle black. Go back to your toy boat and continue
whinning.

Carry on.



What is the size limit for a ''toy boat''?

You sound like a 2nd grade bully.


SBV

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:19:42 -0500, jeff wrote:

Spoken like a true powerboater. While that may make sense to you,
sailors can generally say, "I get rolled often by irresponsible
powerboaters, and I've never rolled anyone."

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in
some way, and don't even get me started on sailboats who expect the
right-of-way while under power, or who suddenly tack in front of a
moving powerboat and demand the right-of-way. Fortunately most of
them seem to understand that five blasts on the air horn is a danger
signal. My other pet peeve is sailboats who don't know how to analyze
a crossing situation, not realizing that I've already altered course
to pass astern of them.


Perhaps you aren't changing course dramatically enough for them to figure it
out....

In any case, there's no excuse for being ignorant of the rules. I've never
seen a sailboat "suddenly" tack in front of a powerboat. I have seen and
been on sailboats that were tacking back and forth down a channel and having
the PBer expect them to get out of the way.

You are responsible for your wake... PBer or sailor.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:55:43 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

You are responsible for your wake... PBer or sailor.

Yes, everyone knows that they are responsible for *damage* caused by
their wake. That does not include inconvenience or damaged egos
however.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:55:43 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

You are responsible for your wake... PBer or sailor.

Yes, everyone knows that they are responsible for *damage* caused by
their wake. That does not include inconvenience or damaged egos
however.


Please show me where I said it damaged my ego or was inconvenient? I said
that it endangered my crew.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

My other pet peeve is sailboats who don't know how to analyze
a crossing situation, not realizing that I've already altered course
to pass astern of them.

"Capt. JG" said:
Perhaps you aren't changing course dramatically enough for them to figure it
out....

Wayne is a sailor of long experience; I think he knows this and
expects other people to be PAYING ATTENTION. However, it's true that
th vessel changing course to avoid another should make their helm
swing exaggerated & big.

We are very often running on autopilot and the AP will not swing the
boat fast enough to make this kind of course correction. That may be
part of what Wayne is doing.


Dave wrote:
Right on, Jon. Absent some unusual circumstance, it's Wayne's fault, not the
other vessel's if the other vessel doesn't recognize Wayne's changed course.
It's been over 35 years, but I well remember my old CO's saying that any
course change you make to avoid another vessel should be big enough that
you're damned sure the other vessel will see you made it.

If the other vessel is busy playing cards below, or just in at the
helm scratching their butt and staring blankly into space, then it's
NOT Wayne's fault if they didn't see him make a big course change.
However he can always signal. We've done that a few times, and it does
make everyone think you're the bad guy.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King