"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:19:42 -0500, jeff wrote:

Spoken like a true powerboater. While that may make sense to you,
sailors can generally say, "I get rolled often by irresponsible
powerboaters, and I've never rolled anyone."

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in
some way, and don't even get me started on sailboats who expect the
right-of-way while under power, or who suddenly tack in front of a
moving powerboat and demand the right-of-way. Fortunately most of
them seem to understand that five blasts on the air horn is a danger
signal. My other pet peeve is sailboats who don't know how to analyze
a crossing situation, not realizing that I've already altered course
to pass astern of them.


Perhaps you aren't changing course dramatically enough for them to figure it
out....

In any case, there's no excuse for being ignorant of the rules. I've never
seen a sailboat "suddenly" tack in front of a powerboat. I have seen and
been on sailboats that were tacking back and forth down a channel and having
the PBer expect them to get out of the way.

You are responsible for your wake... PBer or sailor.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"mr.b" wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:31:16 -0500, Bloody Horvath wrote:

On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:08:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote this crap:


Capt JG was in a 32 ft, seaworthy, ocean going sailboat, in open


Who said it was seaworthy? :-) Certainly it isn't ocean capable.


Are you nuts? A 32 ft. Hunter is certainly ocean capable.

yes it is amazing how much tupperware has improved since it was first sold

I used to take my 25 ft. Hunter out in storm warnings, where you would
**** your pants. I was once out in 60 mph winds. The boat loved it,
even
if the crew didn't.

of course you did...I'll bet you even had a special nook built into the
lazarette to stow the wheelbarrow you had to use to get your gigantic
balls aboard too...yawn....


I sure as shootin wouldn't take these Hunters out the Gate unless the
conditions were benign... they're not off-shore capable.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:35:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in some
waysnip

I'd like to invite you to stand in my cockpit sometime and get acquainted
with the business end of my boom when one of your powerboatin' pals comes
by...

"mr.b" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:35:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in some
waysnip

I'd like to invite you to stand in my cockpit sometime and get acquainted
with the business end of my boom when one of your powerboatin' pals comes
by...


Or, be up on the deck trying to reef or shake out a reef. Could be good MOB
practice, however.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

My other pet peeve is sailboats who don't know how to analyze
a crossing situation, not realizing that I've already altered course
to pass astern of them.

"Capt. JG" said:
Perhaps you aren't changing course dramatically enough for them to figure it
out....

Wayne is a sailor of long experience; I think he knows this and
expects other people to be PAYING ATTENTION. However, it's true that
th vessel changing course to avoid another should make their helm
swing exaggerated & big.

We are very often running on autopilot and the AP will not swing the
boat fast enough to make this kind of course correction. That may be
part of what Wayne is doing.


Dave wrote:
Right on, Jon. Absent some unusual circumstance, it's Wayne's fault, not the
other vessel's if the other vessel doesn't recognize Wayne's changed course.
It's been over 35 years, but I well remember my old CO's saying that any
course change you make to avoid another vessel should be big enough that
you're damned sure the other vessel will see you made it.

If the other vessel is busy playing cards below, or just in at the
helm scratching their butt and staring blankly into space, then it's
NOT Wayne's fault if they didn't see him make a big course change.
However he can always signal. We've done that a few times, and it does
make everyone think you're the bad guy.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

On Nov 7, 1:54 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Say, you are right. The rules says, "lights and shapes" right up until the
12 meter exemption.
... You really have to read these things with a fine tooth comb. ...

Actually, rule 27 (g) says "Vessels of less than 12 meters in length,
except those engaged in diving operations, shall not be required to
exhibit the lights and shapes prescribed in this Rule."

I must have read that damn book 20 times when I was studying for my
license and I have no memory of that exception... Pathetic.

You were right and I was wrong. I apologize.

-- Tom.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:55:43 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

You are responsible for your wake... PBer or sailor.

Yes, everyone knows that they are responsible for *damage* caused by
their wake. That does not include inconvenience or damaged egos
however.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:16:21 -0500, "mr.b" wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:35:55 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

The problem is that many sailors think that all powerboaters leaving a
wake are irresponsible just because the wake inconveniences them in some
waysnip

I'd like to invite you to stand in my cockpit sometime and get acquainted
with the business end of my boom when one of your powerboatin' pals comes
by...

Trust me, I've spent a lot of time under, over and around booms, and
have always disliked getting waked as much as anyone else, especially
when closing on a finish line in light air.

The fact is however that wakes and waves are part of being on the
water, and no one should expect a powerboat to slow down just to
improve their comfort level or finish position.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:40 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

Some people roll me, and some get rolled by me.


You *ARE* responsible for your wake!


It's part of boating and being on the water.

It's a part of BAD boating, and being on the water with
ignorant, arrogant power boaters.

Nonsense. Have you ever seen the wake from a freighter or fast tug
boat? If so you'll never complain about sportfish or motoryachts.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:44:40 -0500, "Scotty" wrote:

It is
not written in stone anywhere that the water will always
be flat.


It *IS* written in the books that YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR
YOUR WAKE !

Responsible for damage.

No blood, no foul.