On Sep 12, 8:05 am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Duncan Heenan" wrote in message

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Don't be so pessimistic. Producing RF takes very little energy. The
system could be the salvation of mankind. It could be an infinite
supply of almost free energy. If enough hydrogen is produced it can
be burned to produce plenty enough electricity to produce the RF. All
it would take is just a little surplus hydrogen energy and you could
have extra electricity. The perpetual motion machine we all fantasize
about.

Wilbur Hubbard
What simplistic bull****! Getting more energy out than goes in?? This
sums up Wilma's level of understanding of the world. Don't bother to
read any further.

You never heard of nuclear fusion? That's more energy out than in. It's
not so far-fetched to believe if it can be done at an atomic level then
why not at a molecular level.

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Wilbur, Duncan lacks the ability to think out of the box. Exactly why
the Brit's gave up the right to bear arms.

Which do you think would be more important to mankind. Curing cancer
or unlimited fuel? This guy could do both.

Joe

Are you saying that the hydrogen lift bags of the Hindenburg did not
erupt spectacularly into flame?

"Bill Kearney" wrote:
Oh they burned alright, but being wrapped in a highly flammable material
made the fire all that much worse. The disaster may well have been avoided
entirely had they not put that on the covering.


IIRC you're right in that the skin caught fire first... most likely
theory is that it was sabotage. However the hydrogen lift cells burned
very quickly, faster than the skin.... which is why the film/photos
show a burst of flame from the nose while much of the skin was still
intact.


Hydrogen dissipates quite rapidly. That and the amount needed for most
vehicle applications presents nowhere near the risks of an airship with
flammable paint.

Depends on who you're talking to. There are a lot of difficulties
handling hydrogen as an industrial gas; certainly hydrogen fuel
systems can be made tight & safe. But they'll be more complex & more
expensive than a diesel fuel system... and look how many people have
problems with those

Regards
Doug King

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
You never heard of nuclear fusion? That's more energy out than in. It's
not so far-fetched to believe if it can be done at an atomic level then
why not at a molecular level.


jeff wrote:
Its clear why you were a English major.


I love it.... "Nuclear fusion at a molecular level"
Funniest thing I've seen in a while.

DSK

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:18:23 +0100, "Richard"
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I don't think this is what he is doing. If that was the case it
wouldn't need to be salt water. Distilled fresh water would be
preferred. They also said that it burns at 300 degrees F. Hydrogen
burns at less than 100 degrees Fahrenheit. He isn't just separating
out oxygen and hydrogen and burning the hydrogen. Something else is
going on here.


Check your figures

Hydrogen burns way hotter than body temperature

Hot enough to melt aluminum oxide[as in saphire] and is actually used
for that.

casady

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"jeff" wrote in message
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Duncan Heenan" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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Don't be so pessimistic. Producing RF takes very little energy. The
system could be the salvation of mankind. It could be an infinite
supply of almost free energy. If enough hydrogen is produced it can
be burned to produce plenty enough electricity to produce the RF.
All it would take is just a little surplus hydrogen energy and you
could have extra electricity. The perpetual motion machine we all
fantasize about.

Wilbur Hubbard
What simplistic bull****! Getting more energy out than goes in??
This sums up Wilma's level of understanding of the world. Don't
bother to read any further.


You never heard of nuclear fusion? That's more energy out than in.
It's not so far-fetched to believe if it can be done at an atomic
level then why not at a molecular level.

Its clear why you were a English major.

And, it's even more clear that your attempt to avoid addressing the
issue did not go unnoticed.

Avoid addressing? It isn't my job to "address the issue." It is the
job of the scientist involved to propose a source for the energy
required to release the hydrogen from its bond with oxygen.

On the surface of it, the energy comes from the RF, so there is no magic
source. Although the burning has been verified, there has been little
disclosed about the energy efficiency. However, Kanzius has already
admitted (contrary to an early statement) that the efficiency is really
less than one so this is very unlikely to be useful as an "energy source."


Why not at the molecular level? Just because, to date, it hasn't been
done does not validate the idea that it can never be done. If molecules
can be arranged in a more efficient form then energy can be obtained. If
the arrangement can be done in an energy efficient manner than there can
be energy gained at the expense of a more compact or stable molecule.
Same thing as in fusion but on a molecular level.

Yes, its called chemistry. And while it was considered magic 500 years
ago, its fairly well understood nowadays, and the Supreme Court even
allows it to be taught in public schools.

It is possible that Kanzius has discovered a new phenomenon that could
lead to interesting applications. In that context, this could be really
big news. But he did not solve the world's energy problem.

On Sep 12, 12:18 am, "Richard" wrote:
I don't think this is what he is doing. If that was the case it
wouldn't need to be salt water. Distilled fresh water would be
preferred. They also said that it burns at 300 degrees F. Hydrogen
burns at less than 100 degrees Fahrenheit. He isn't just separating
out oxygen and hydrogen and burning the hydrogen. Something else is
going on here.

Check your figures

Hydrogen burns way hotter than body temperature

sorry typo I meant 1000 degrees F. It's technically 932 degrees F.
He said he got 3000 degrees F out of it.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:24:05 -0400, jeff wrote:



It is possible that Kanzius has discovered a new phenomenon that could
lead to interesting applications. In that context, this could be really
big news. But he did not solve the world's energy problem.

Remember "cold fusion?"
Platinum prices took off like a rocket.
The rocket soon crashed.

--Vic

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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
You never heard of nuclear fusion? That's more energy out than in. It's
not so far-fetched to believe if it can be done at an atomic level then
why not at a molecular level.


jeff wrote:
Its clear why you were a English major.


I love it.... "Nuclear fusion at a molecular level"
Funniest thing I've seen in a while.

DSK




Hey, there's nuclear fusion on a much larger scale than molecular... family
bonding for example, something of which Neal has no clew.

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www.sailnow.com

"bobrayner" wrote in message
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On 11 Sep, 18:42, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
Burn salt water instead . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Wilbur Hubbard

We'll have none of that here. In this group, we obey the laws of
thermodynamics!



Yeah, entropy.

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In article ,
Gogarty wrote:

In article ,
wkearney-99@hot-mail-com says...


without the Hindenburg-style eruption.

The dirigible burned so spectacularly not because of hydrogen, but because
of the HIGHLY flammable paint they put on the FABRIC covering.

A theory that Mythbusters seems to refute. It was a hydrogen fire. Hydrogen
goes "Whoooosh!"

Bzzzt, Wrong answer, Would you like to try for what is behind
Curtain #3????

Hydrogen burns with an "Almost Invisible Flame" in the near UltraViolet
Region of the Color Spectrum. The Flames seen at the Hindenberg Disaster
were significantly "Yellow" in Spectrum, which shows that the majority
of the visibale flames were from other substances burning, like the
Aluminized Doped Fabric of the Outer Covering, and the Rubberized
GasBags, themselves.

Me who at least can read a ColoromMeter......