Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse wants to do
or
feels more comfortable doing? Not everyone is the same. You are
fortunate, Bob, that Suzanne likes to sail.


I agree and trust me...I'm gratefull since she's in my corner even as
I seek out a larger, faster boat for part time live aboard in a few
years.


So waht are
you going to do, if perchance, Suzanne decides one day that sailing
just
isn't it anymore and that the boys, now teenagers, would really
rather
have a jet boat?


Suzanne believes, along with me, that sailing is part of who I am and
that it makes me happy. Just like I know that having this house and
land makes her happy. Only health will force a change. If Thomas grows
to dislike sailing, that would be a shame, but I'll still sail.


She will impress on you taht they've ahd it with
sailing and that as a father, your responsibility is to the family,
not
to sailing.


I have already arranged things so that I'm home 7 days a week, while
earning good money. She works nights and will drop to two days soon.
There's time for sailing and camping and skiing and I'm open to just
about anything. The sailing will always be in our life.


What's going to happen when your
boys, down the line, find out that fast and noise is more fun and
that
dinking along on something that only goes 7 knots at best is rather a
dull way to spend the afternoon?


Well, they may feel that way. We'll see. Since we live near a dozen
lakes, we may also get a speed boat for skiing and water toys. We have
time for it all.


So then you have
a choice: you let them go off by themselves and suffer the
consequences;
or you make them go with you and sit with a boatful of resentful kids
who whine and pule about having to be there

There's a long list of kids who want to come sailing and we've taken
some. Thomas is in love with his boat. This may change, but we'll see.

...or...maybe you'll get
lucky...once in a while a person does and the kids take to it like
ducks
out of water.


For the most part I'm a pretty lucky fellow, Katy. And I mean that
honestly, knowing that it can change.


Enjoy what you have now. Sail like you want
now.


That's exactly what I'm doing. If Doug is secure and happy with his
situation and powerboating rather than sailing, then my comments will
do little more than make him laugh. So no big deal. On the other hand,
if his wife was selfish, pushing Doug away from what he dreamt of;
well that's another kettle of fish. Though I know very little about
Doug and Kathie, I actually do believe that she got what she wanted
and he didn't, while a compromise was possible. Even a Fisher 37 or
various PH shallow draft boats could have kept Doug under sail. The
poor Sundowner cruises about as fast as we do and burned fuel and
money to do it. Yuck.

And now this is for Jeff....

"Sigh...."



RB
35s5
NY

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. **** Head wrote:
it's difficult
to explain to family & friends who aren't sailors or
cruisers.



That's because your family probably knows that you
prefer to sail,
wanted a sailboat and that you were actively looking at
cruising
sailboats, even showing Kathie a C&C at one point. Now
you're driving
around in a floating RV and believing, or trying to
believe that it's
what you wanted?
Who else in the sailing group has switched to power
boating,
Doug...besides you?


RB
35s5
NY

Not going to discuss Doug's personal situation because
what he does is
his business but do want to address the ttopic in general.

Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse
wants to do or
feels more comfortable doing?


From the pics, and Doug's posts, it doesn't appear that
he's languishing over his decision.

Why is Bob?

SBV

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:03:22 -0400, "Scotty" wrote:


"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. **** Head wrote:
it's difficult
to explain to family & friends who aren't sailors or
cruisers.



That's because your family probably knows that you
prefer to sail,
wanted a sailboat and that you were actively looking at
cruising
sailboats, even showing Kathie a C&C at one point. Now
you're driving
around in a floating RV and believing, or trying to
believe that it's
what you wanted?
Who else in the sailing group has switched to power
boating,
Doug...besides you?


RB
35s5
NY

Not going to discuss Doug's personal situation because
what he does is
his business but do want to address the ttopic in general.

Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse
wants to do or
feels more comfortable doing?


From the pics, and Doug's posts, it doesn't appear that
he's languishing over his decision.

Why is Bob?


Emotional immaturity? Genetic deficiency? Boredom?

All of the above?

Without careful study that question will never be answered.

Frank



SBV

I sense a lot of anger in this post.



"Capt. **** Head" wrote in message
oups.com..
..
it's difficult
to explain to family & friends who aren't sailors or
cruisers.



That's because your family probably knows that you prefer
to sail,
wanted a sailboat and that you were actively looking at
cruising
sailboats, even showing Kathie a C&C at one point. Now
you're driving
around in a floating RV and believing, or trying to
believe that it's
what you wanted?
Who else in the sailing group has switched to power
boating,
Doug...besides you?


RB
35s5
NY

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:44:44 -0400, katy
wrote:

Capt. Rob wrote:
it's difficult
to explain to family & friends who aren't sailors or cruisers.



That's because your family probably knows that you prefer to sail,
wanted a sailboat and that you were actively looking at cruising
sailboats, even showing Kathie a C&C at one point. Now you're driving
around in a floating RV and believing, or trying to believe that it's
what you wanted?
Who else in the sailing group has switched to power boating,
Doug...besides you?


RB
35s5
NY

Not going to discuss Doug's personal situation because what he does is
his business but do want to address the ttopic in general.

Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse wants to do or
feels more comfortable doing? Not everyone is the same. You are
fortunate, Bob, that Suzanne likes to sail. I've known many people over
the eyars with sailboats where the wife goes along for the ride or sits
on teh dock and waits for the "floating cottage" to return, irked that
their home away from home actually left the dock. The idea that someone
would be condiserate of someone else's feelings and maybe supplant their
own interests for awhile is commendable. It shows a strong relationship
and a willingness to go the extra mile for their partner. So waht are
you going to do, if perchance, Suzanne decides one day that sailing just
isn't it anymore and that the boys, now teenagers, would really rather
have a jet boat? She will impress on you taht they've ahd it with
sailing and that as a father, your responsibility is to the family, not
to sailing. So, becasue you do not want to lose that precious link that
holds the family together, good times, you either downgrade the sailboat
so that you can have a little sojourn once in a great while and buy a
jet boat for the family, or you give up sailing entirely to immerse
yourself into the family ecperience. What's going to happen when your
boys, down the line, find out that fast and noise is more fun and that
dinking along on something that only goes 7 knots at best is rather a
dull way to spend the afternoon? Now don;t tell me you're going to
insure that that doesn't happen by totally immersing your kids in the
sailing experience. That has been knwon to backfire...I;'ve seen plenty
of sailing families whose kids have had it...they want a life on teh
weekends other than going to the marina and hanging about on a
boat...they want their friends, parties, shopping, etc. So then you have
a choice: you let them go off by themselves and suffer the consequences;
or you make them go with you and sit with a boatful of resentful kids
who whine and pule about having to be there...or...maybe you'll get
lucky...once in a while a person does and the kids take to it like ducks
out of water...most likely not, though,, it will be some combination of
the first two scenarios. Enjoy what you have now. Sail like you want
now. You can't predict the future and you shouldn't try reading into the
lives of othersthings that may not be there at all.


With the exception of the occasional lapses into Katytype, you have
hit the nail on the head.

All my sons are good sailors. Yacht club, one design trained. Each
of them have gone through periods where other interests (not go fast
stuff necesarily) were more important than sailing. As adults, each
of them is showing signs they may be coming back.

Frank

"katy" wrote in message
...


Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse
wants to do or
feels more comfortable doing? Not everyone is the same.
You are
fortunate, Bob, that Suzanne likes to sail. I've known
many people over


Katy, you seem to have some kind of 'inside thing' going on
with the boobster. Do you know why he's so frustratingly
envious of me, Doug, and Loco?

Scotty

Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:03:22 -0400, "Scotty" wrote:


"katy" wrote in message
...

Capt. **** Head wrote:

it's difficult
to explain to family & friends who aren't sailors or

cruisers.



That's because your family probably knows that you

prefer to sail,

wanted a sailboat and that you were actively looking at

cruising

sailboats, even showing Kathie a C&C at one point. Now

you're driving

around in a floating RV and believing, or trying to

believe that it's

what you wanted?
Who else in the sailing group has switched to power

boating,

Doug...besides you?


RB
35s5
NY


Not going to discuss Doug's personal situation because

what he does is

his business but do want to address the ttopic in general.

Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse

wants to do or

feels more comfortable doing?


From the pics, and Doug's posts, it doesn't appear that

he's languishing over his decision.

Why is Bob?



Emotional immaturity? Genetic deficiency? Boredom?

All of the above?

Without careful study that question will never be answered.

Frank




SBV



And probably shouldn't...

"katy" wrote in message
...
Capt. Rob wrote:
it's difficult
to explain to family & friends who aren't sailors or cruisers.



That's because your family probably knows that you prefer to sail,
wanted a sailboat and that you were actively looking at cruising
sailboats, even showing Kathie a C&C at one point. Now you're driving
around in a floating RV and believing, or trying to believe that it's
what you wanted?
Who else in the sailing group has switched to power boating,
Doug...besides you?


RB
35s5
NY

Not going to discuss Doug's personal situation because what he does is his
business but do want to address the ttopic in general.

Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse wants to do or
feels more comfortable doing? Not everyone is the same. You are fortunate,
Bob, that Suzanne likes to sail. I've known many people over the eyars
with sailboats where the wife goes along for the ride or sits on teh dock
and waits for the "floating cottage" to return, irked that their home away
from home actually left the dock. The idea that someone would be
condiserate of someone else's feelings and maybe supplant their own
interests for awhile is commendable. It shows a strong relationship and a
willingness to go the extra mile for their partner. So waht are you going
to do, if perchance, Suzanne decides one day that sailing just isn't it
anymore and that the boys, now teenagers, would really rather have a jet
boat? She will impress on you taht they've ahd it with sailing and that as
a father, your responsibility is to the family, not to sailing. So,
becasue you do not want to lose that precious link that holds the family
together, good times, you either downgrade the sailboat so that you can
have a little sojourn once in a great while and buy a jet boat for the
family, or you give up sailing entirely to immerse yourself into the
family ecperience. What's going to happen when your boys, down the line,
find out that fast and noise is more fun and that dinking along on
something that only goes 7 knots at best is rather a dull way to spend the
afternoon? Now don;t tell me you're going to insure that that doesn't
happen by totally immersing your kids in the sailing experience. That has
been knwon to backfire...I;'ve seen plenty of sailing families whose kids
have had it...they want a life on teh weekends other than going to the
marina and hanging about on a boat...they want their friends, parties,
shopping, etc. So then you have a choice: you let them go off by
themselves and suffer the consequences; or you make them go with you and
sit with a boatful of resentful kids who whine and pule about having to be
there...or...maybe you'll get lucky...once in a while a person does and
the kids take to it like ducks out of water...most likely not, though,, it
will be some combination of the first two scenarios. Enjoy what you have
now. Sail like you want now. You can't predict the future and you
shouldn't try reading into the lives of othersthings that may not be there
at all.


Bob has a great desire to put other people down... their lives, the things
they care about. He's a troll with medical problems, physical possibly and
certainly mental. Bob doesn't know about courtesy or civility, at least he's
not demonstrated such knowledge here, and this likely carries over to his
"real" life. He bought a nice boat, and now he thinks that makes him
important somehow. Anyone who takes him seriously just fuels his psychosis.
We should all be mindful of his disability.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
...

Just what is the matter with doing something your spouse

wants to do or

feels more comfortable doing? Not everyone is the same.

You are

fortunate, Bob, that Suzanne likes to sail. I've known

many people over


Katy, you seem to have some kind of 'inside thing' going on
with the boobster. Do you know why he's so frustratingly
envious of me, Doug, and Loco?

Scotty


huh? Inside thing? Don't think so. I respond to those oarts of his
posts that I feel are the real part of his life and try to stay away
from all the blather. I think it's great he's allwound up in his kid and
his wife and that he enjoys his boat. The rest is just so much blather
and cut and paste from sailing rags, etc. He's like a kid with a joy
buzzer and every time he extends his hand to some of you for a handhake,
you extend yours and get zapped. It doesn't matter if he's right or
wrong...he still gets to see you jump which is his prize. I don't get
into all the discussions about which boat is faster, better, whatever or
who has what because it really doesn;t matter to me. I';m just glad I
have a sailboat and wish we could be on her more. Life is what life is,
though, and sometimes you have to just go with it.

I don't get
into all the discussions about which boat is faster, better, whatever
or
who has what because it really doesn;t matter to me. I';m just glad I
have a sailboat and wish we could be on her more. Life is what life
is,
though, and sometimes you have to just go with it.



Katy, I agree 100%. It isn't about the quality of the boat, or how
fast it is or anything like that. It's enjoying and sharing the way
that feels best for the individual.
BUT.
You should be able to see by now that most of the folks here ARE more
interested in the "blather" and the more obvious the troll, the more
quickly they grab the bait. Then they go on an on about my
credibility, lies, and finally claiming they are the ones trolling me.
It's funny stuff and even this very open admission to it all changes
nothing. They will return again and again for as long as I like.
People like Sloco, Doug and Scotty are like my Margaret Dumont of the
Marx Brothers. They are always part of the joke and yet somehow never
get it. They believe that if there's five of them "against" me, then
they must have the upper hand. In truth, like the curls of Samson, my
reach and grip intensifies with each added opponent. They try to douse
fire with gasoline and are usually burned. There are clever exceptions
of course. Ozzy sees right through it all and I actually believe Jeff
does as well. Jeff does eventually get ticked off with me though.
Sloco, Scotty, Doug and a few others are like George Foreman rope-a-
dopes to my Ali-like stinging shots.
So hasn't it been long enough? How many times can the same scenerio
replay? I don't know. Sometimes I get bored and leave for a while.
You'd be very surprised to know who asks me to return

In any case....I do hope you got some sailing in. The LIS had about
the best sailing weather I've seen in memory. Everyone's been talking
about it. BTW, swim platforms ROCK!

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/a...s35s5/Lab4.jpg


Robert