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Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however.

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We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here.

If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront
the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking
complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay
Gaynz..

Joe

So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he
attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you.

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I presented the facts.

No you didn't.



Scout said a crew member was injured by a wake.

No he didn't.

Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "



You said smart Captain's will lie.
I said they will not

This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me
that you're right.

Well I guess all the licenced Capt'n you run with are liars and
cowards, without any honor..That must suck. Oh well I guess you will
fit in nicely.



You said inform the Harbor Master.
I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals.

I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and efficiently.

VS doing it yourself... to the proper authorties as defined in the CFR



You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they
witnessed it.

No I didn't.

"they're just going
to say they can't do anything."



I say they will investagate.

Your opinion.

It's not an opinion. If the USCG fails to investigate then they can be
brought up on charges of derilection of duty.



You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG.
I say he did not.

I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally.

Ohh so if it's a buddie he's right..if not.. he loses all
credibility.. I see where you are coming from.

Who's right?

Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack.

Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people
pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws?

Joe

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Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

You said smart Captain's will lie.
I said they will not

This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me
that you're right.

Well I guess all the licenced Capt'n you run with are liars and
cowards, without any honor..That must suck. Oh well I guess you will
fit in nicely.

He's not much of a captain if he's doing something illegal, so what brings
you to the conclusion he's going to be honest about this?

Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you
molested?



You said inform the Harbor Master.
I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals.

I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and
efficiently.

VS doing it yourself... to the proper authorties as defined in the CFR

Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you
think threatening him is the right thing to do.



You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they
witnessed it.

No I didn't.

"they're just going
to say they can't do anything."



I say they will investagate.

Your opinion.

It's not an opinion. If the USCG fails to investigate then they can be
brought up on charges of derilection of duty.

If there were no injuries, it's a he-said/she-said situation. Their
"investigation" will be to tell you to give them some evidence.

You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG.
I say he did not.

I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally.

Ohh so if it's a buddie he's right..if not.. he loses all
credibility.. I see where you are coming from.

No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots?
Oh, that must be it.

Who's right?

Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack.

Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people
pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws?

I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure upon
how they're able to communicate. You need work.


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On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than
basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it
would be required by law.

You said smart Captain's will lie.
I said they will not

This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me
that you're right.

Well I guess all the licenced Capt'n you run with are liars and
cowards, without any honor..That must suck. Oh well I guess you will
fit in nicely.

He's not much of a captain if he's doing something illegal, so what brings
you to the conclusion he's going to be honest about this?


DUTY:
Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless
he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he
hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe
Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake
in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and
that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft.

HONOR:
Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not
lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake.
They will not lie.

Safety:
Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue
with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from
the Dave's in the World)

Either way the operator will not IMO do it again.


Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you
molested?

There was this 29yo airforce Cap's wife, ...but I was 13..does that
count?
Thanks for the memory jolt.


You said inform the Harbor Master.
I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals.

I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and
efficiently.

VS doing it yourself... to the proper authorties as defined in the CFR

Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you
think threatening him is the right thing to do.

Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then
threaten to follow thru


You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they
witnessed it.

No I didn't.

"they're just going
to say they can't do anything."

I say they will investagate.

Your opinion.

It's not an opinion. If the USCG fails to investigate then they can be
brought up on charges of derilection of duty.

If there were no injuries, it's a he-said/she-said situation. Their
"investigation" will be to tell you to give them some evidence.

We were not talking about no injuries...**** if there are no injuries
then it's a chance to surf the boat.

You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG.
I say he did not.

I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally.

Ohh so if it's a buddie he's right..if not.. he loses all
credibility.. I see where you are coming from.

No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to crackpots?
Oh, that must be it.

I listen to everyone.

Who's right?

Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack.

Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people
pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws?

I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure upon
how they're able to communicate. You need work.

Indeed, I practice here.

Joe

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On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than
basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it
would be required by law.

Wow... I guess that's why I said should.

DUTY:
Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless
he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he
hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe
Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake
in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and
that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft.

A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say.

HONOR:
Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not
lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake.
They will not lie.

I agree.

Safety:
Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue
with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from
the Dave's in the World)

Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it
comes from you.

Either way the operator will not IMO do it again.

Key phrase... IMO.

Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you
molested?

There was this 29yo airforce Cap's wife, ...but I was 13..does that
count?
Thanks for the memory jolt.


If you forgot, then you do have a serious problem. :-)

Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you
think threatening him is the right thing to do.

Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then
threaten to follow thru

You said it not me.

No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to
crackpots?
Oh, that must be it.

I listen to everyone.

Apparently.

Who's right?

Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack.

Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people
pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws?

I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure
upon
how they're able to communicate. You need work.

Indeed, I practice here.


Keep practicing. You'll get it eventually. Of course, I'm an optimist.

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On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than
basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it
would be required by law.

Wow... I guess that's why I said should.

DUTY:
Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless
he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he
hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe
Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake
in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and
that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft.

A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say.

Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow
get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a
newbee...like you.

Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything.

HONOR:
Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not
lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake.
They will not lie.

I agree.

Then why did you say he would lie? And that any smart person would
denign doing anything wrong?

Safety:
Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue
with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from
the Dave's in the World)

Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it
comes from you.

You but you added that the Captain will lie, and the USCG will do
nothing.

Either way the operator will not IMO do it again.

Key phrase... IMO.

Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were you
molested?

There was this 29yo airforce Cap's wife, ...but I was 13..does that
count?
Thanks for the memory jolt.

If you forgot, then you do have a serious problem. :-)

I did not forget, had I forgotten, I would not have mentioned her..


Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course you
think threatening him is the right thing to do.

Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then
threaten to follow thru

You said it not me.

No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to
crackpots?
Oh, that must be it.

I listen to everyone.

Apparently.

"To listen well, is as powerful a means of influence as to talk
well, and is as essential to all true conversation"


Who's right?

Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack.

Oh my..Do you base all marine law and federal regulations on people
pointing out your personal and proffesional flaws?

I base my impressions about someone's knowledge based in some measure
upon
how they're able to communicate. You need work.

Indeed, I practice here.

Keep practicing. You'll get it eventually. Of course, I'm an optimist.

Will do.

Joe

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On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the
very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so
closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than
basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it
would be required by law.

Wow... I guess that's why I said should.

DUTY:
Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless
he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he
hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe
Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake
in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and
that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft.

A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say.

Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow
get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a
newbee...like you.

Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not
good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules.


Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything.

Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements?

HONOR:
Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not
lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake.
They will not lie.

I agree.

Then why did you say he would lie? And that any smart person would
denign doing anything wrong?

This guy obviously isn't someone who knows or cares about the rules. Why do
you think he would care about lying????

Safety:
Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue
with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from
the Dave's in the World)

Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it
comes from you.

You but you added that the Captain will lie, and the USCG will do
nothing.

I also said that before I realized that there was an injury, which certainly
changes the situation. It's my *opinion* (feel free to type define: opinion
into google if you're confused).

Either way the operator will not IMO do it again.

Key phrase... IMO.

Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were
you
molested?

Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course
you
think threatening him is the right thing to do.

Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then
threaten to follow thru

You said it not me.

No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to
crackpots?
Oh, that must be it.

I listen to everyone.

Apparently.

"To listen well, is as powerful a means of influence as to talk
well, and is as essential to all true conversation"

Well, there are lots of idiots out there. I try to filter them out. I
suggest you do the same. You might feel better.


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On Aug 16, 10:58 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 8:44 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 5:30 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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On Aug 16, 1:14 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
Ok lets review..I know this is hard but focus Jon.

"Sunday, August 12, when the Miss Beach Haven, with
complete disregard for the safety of others, steamed through the
very
narrow channel near Goosebar Sedge, throwing so much water so
closely
to us that you caused an injury to my crew when she fell in the
galley. "

My mistake. In that case, the CG should be notified.

Should be, but not required, because the injury did not need more than
basic first aid. had it required further medical attention then it
would be required by law.

Wow... I guess that's why I said should.

DUTY:
Perhaps he did not realize what he is doing is illegal, infact unless
he is in a no wake zone then he is doing nothing illegal, until he
hurts someone or damages someone property. He may be a cluess newbe
Capt who has no ideal what it's like to be hit with a 20 kt 5 ft wake
in a small saiboat. Someone needs to address the issue with him, and
that is Scout duty as the Captain of the affected craft.

A clueless newbe who's a licensed captain? Sure. Whatever you say.

Sure..How many deckhands do you know running a boat? So if a fellow
get a licences then he is allowed to run a boat..he will be a
newbee...like you.

Like me... someone who knows the rules and uses them every day. It's not
good enough to be unfamiliar with the rules.

Where in the rules does it say you can not throw a wake on anyone?



Your licences is a licence to learn..not proof you know everything.

Huh? Did you forget about the exams *and* the sea time requirements?

Again, your licences is a licences to learn.

Jon, I trained many many new skippers on 100 ton boats..In the oil
field you would work under another master until he OK'ed it with the
company to turn you loose with a 10 millin dollar + boat. With what
you said above it would be a long long time and several humbeling
events before I would turn you loose with a boat and crew.

You remind me of one fellow I called Capt Crunch. We were running in
to SW pass of the Missippi and he grounded my boat on a sand bar..120
footer. Threw me out of the bunk. He came in at a right angle of the
pass ...way of course. I got up, took me about an hour to dig the boat
off the bar and get it back on course...then the ****ball has the
guall to complain that he should have been allowed to dig the boat off
after the MF was standing there shivering not knowing what to do. I
never allowed him to take the wheel except in open water again.. Thank
God... He quit.

Like you he thought because he had a licences that he knew everything
needed to run a boat.



HONOR:
Yes I feel that most licenced USMM master have hornor and will not
lie to cover up a mistake. Most will stand up and admit to a mistake.
They will not lie.

I agree.

Then why did you say he would lie? And that any smart person would
denign doing anything wrong?

This guy obviously isn't someone who knows or cares about the rules. Why do
you think he would care about lying????

Again show me where in the rules it says you can not produce a wake.


Safety:
Scout letter reached the owners, the owners will address the issue
with the operator, yet I doubt they will respond directly (Advice from
the Dave's in the World)

Gee... sounds just about what I said. But, it's sounds original when it
comes from you.

You but you added that the Captain will lie, and the USCG will do
nothing.

I also said that before I realized that there was an injury, which certainly
changes the situation. It's my *opinion* (feel free to type define: opinion
into google if you're confused).





Either way the operator will not IMO do it again.

Key phrase... IMO.

Still with the personal insults.... I know you're an angry guy. Were
you
molested?

Yes vs. doing it yourself, which is not productive unless of course
you
think threatening him is the right thing to do.

Why are you always saying threatening? I rather follow thru then
threaten to follow thru

You said it not me.

No. If he has credibility, then I tend to listen. You listen to
crackpots?
Oh, that must be it.

I listen to everyone.

Apparently.

"To listen well, is as powerful a means of influence as to talk
well, and is as essential to all true conversation"

Well, there are lots of idiots out there. I try to filter them out. I
suggest you do the same. You might feel better.

Einsteins math teachers thought he was an idiot too...After I listen
to someone then I filter them out if they have nothing to offer. You
should try it, you might be better off for it.

When I got my first ticket I thought just like you... until someone
clearly showed me the error of my ways.. He was a true Master Mariner,
worked his way up from a deckhand to become the president of the
largest offshore supply vessel company in the USA, with over 120- 220+
ft boats under his command in less than 5 years.

Joe

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