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Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however.

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We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here.

If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront
the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking
complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay
Gaynz..

Joe

So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he
attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you.




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On Aug 16, 11:55 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however.

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We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here.

If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront
the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking
complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay
Gaynz..

Joe

So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he
attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you.

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I presented the facts.

Scout said a crew member was injured by a wake.

You said smart Captain's will lie.
I said they will not

You said inform the Harbor Master.
I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals.

You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they
witnessed it.
I say they will investagate.

You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG.
I say he did not.

Who's right?

Joe

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On Aug 16, 11:55 am, "Capt. JG" wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

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Don't know what it's like in Texas, but here the hbs are very
protective
of
their marina and the people, commercial or pleasure-boaters. Most of
the
people know the hb and given the prices of the slips, they would
prefer
to
have the sailboats than the fishing boats. If the hb did nothing, they
could
be liable. Can't help it if your complaints are laughed at, however.

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We don't have no glorified parking lot cop type hb here.

If I had a crew member injured.. I'd track down the boat and confront
the skipper directly, then call the USCG. We do not need no stinking
complaint dept, or Capt. Kangaroo parking lot cops. You're soooo gay
Gaynz..

Joe

So, Joe finally does a melt down. Can't actually present any facts, so he
attacks me personally. Sure says a lot about you.

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I presented the facts.

No you didn't.


Scout said a crew member was injured by a wake.

No he didn't.


You said smart Captain's will lie.
I said they will not

This is your opinion vs. my opinion. Nothing you've said has convinced me
that you're right.


You said inform the Harbor Master.
I said you should consult your CFR, and notify the proper officals.

I said that the HB would be able to deal with this quickly and efficiently.


You said the CG will ignore a wake induced injury unless they
witnessed it.

No I didn't.

I say they will investagate.

Your opinion.


You said Scout lost creadibility by informing others on a sailng NG.
I say he did not.

I changed my mind, given who it was, which was unclear originally.

Who's right?


Not you in my opinion, especially after the personal attack.


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Jon and Joe - I want to thank you and others here for giving me some
constructive criticism and sound advice for dealing with this event.

I posted my original message without much introduction, which may have been
a mistake. I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a
long narrative, so I copied and pasted the letter that I sent to the
captains of the boat in question. I probably should have edited it and sent
it in a discussion format for Dave's sake. Had I done so, perhaps I would
not have given him what he apparently feels is justification to lash out
with suspicion, ignorance, and insults. I'm not one to make up a story just
to stir trouble; the captain of that ship endangered my crew and greatly
alarmed us; I felt that no undue hardship would be caused him by the group's
discussion of the rights and responsibilities of large, fast moving boats in
narrow channels. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the boat,
but at the time I wrote that piece I didn't exactly feel that I owed them
any courtesies.

In addition to that, I am writing in on the heels of Doug, who recently
stated that New Jersey boaters appear to be the most obnoxious of all. I
felt I could offer both an anecdotal passage in support of his observations,
and a request for advice - all with one easy post.

I have not heard back from the company and I don't expect that I will unless
I push this further. I have written a formal letter of complaint and sent it
via USPS to the USCG because I was unsure of what else I could do.

I want nothing from this captain other than to make him more aware others
near him. I seek no wrath of God (Dave), I want no money, credits,
apologies, or compensation of any sort. I just want him to slow down before
someone is seriously hurt or killed.

Scout

Welcome to sailing, Scout.

I think I'd be correct in saying that we've all (except for
bobspit who really doesn't sail) been in this same
situation, a time or 2.

My advice?...carry a gun, a BIG gun.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
news
Jon and Joe - I want to thank you and others here for
giving me some
constructive criticism and sound advice for dealing with
this event.

I posted my original message without much introduction,
which may have been
a mistake. I had hoped to get some honest feedback without
having to type a
long narrative, so I copied and pasted the letter that I
sent to the
captains of the boat in question. I probably should have
edited it and sent
it in a discussion format for Dave's sake. Had I done so,
perhaps I would
not have given him what he apparently feels is
justification to lash out
with suspicion, ignorance, and insults. I'm not one to
make up a story just
to stir trouble; the captain of that ship endangered my
crew and greatly
alarmed us; I felt that no undue hardship would be caused
him by the group's
discussion of the rights and responsibilities of large,
fast moving boats in
narrow channels. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the
name of the boat,
but at the time I wrote that piece I didn't exactly feel
that I owed them
any courtesies.

In addition to that, I am writing in on the heels of Doug,
who recently
stated that New Jersey boaters appear to be the most
obnoxious of all. I
felt I could offer both an anecdotal passage in support of
his observations,
and a request for advice - all with one easy post.

I have not heard back from the company and I don't expect
that I will unless
I push this further. I have written a formal letter of
complaint and sent it
via USPS to the USCG because I was unsure of what else I
could do.

I want nothing from this captain other than to make him
more aware others
near him. I seek no wrath of God (Dave), I want no money,
credits,
apologies, or compensation of any sort. I just want him to
slow down before
someone is seriously hurt or killed.

Scout

"Scout" wrote:
Jon and Joe - I want to thank you and others here for giving me some
constructive criticism and sound advice for dealing with this event.


Is that what they were doing? I keep expecting to hear the teacher say
"Boys, get up from your desks and go sit in opposite corners."

There is some positive info, I guess... the requirement to report
accidents, some suggestions about how to deal with dangerous behavior
by others...



I posted my original message without much introduction, which may have been
a mistake. I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a
long narrative, so I copied and pasted the letter that I sent to the
captains of the boat in question.

Did the job for me.

..... I'm not one to make up a story just
to stir trouble; the captain of that ship endangered my crew and greatly
alarmed us; I felt that no undue hardship would be caused him by the group's
discussion of the rights and responsibilities of large, fast moving boats in
narrow channels. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned the name of the boat,
but at the time I wrote that piece I didn't exactly feel that I owed them
any courtesies.


Agreed again. In fact, I think that people who behave in such a way
*should* expect the public to bandy their names around.



I have not heard back from the company and I don't expect that I will unless
I push this further. I have written a formal letter of complaint and sent it
via USPS to the USCG because I was unsure of what else I could do.


In my experience, a video camera does a LOT to enforce reasonable
behavior in others. Your letter is a great idea, but it might be more
effective if you sent it to one of the directors of the finance
company that actually owns that boat.... would take some digging
around to find out who that is. If they are aware that they might be
liable, and will have their names dragged thru the mud, they might
tell the captain to shape up.... or just let him go. Lots of captains
on the beach, looking for jobs.

Frankly, I think a lot of power boaters are inconsiderate & impatient
fools, and that's why they wake other boats. A large number (probably
a minority) do in fact know that their wakes are very unpleasant and
potentially dangerous, but either don't care ("I'm in a hurry!") or
think it's funny. I've had a few power boaters that I spoke to, after
wake incidents, tell me that it would be *my* fault for not having a
boat that was "seaworthy enough."

Some places are very serious about enforcement. For example, on the
upper Hudson, local police boats will ticket wakers. In some of the
canal & river systems, a radio complaint to the next bridge or lock
will cause the bridge and/or lock keeper to hold up that boat; you can
meet him & the sheriff and tell them exactly what happened. In a case
like this, a videotape of the incident would be a perfect indictment.


I want nothing from this captain other than to make him more aware others
near him. I seek no wrath of God (Dave), I want no money, credits,
apologies, or compensation of any sort. I just want him to slow down before
someone is seriously hurt or killed.


Oh c'mon, you wouldn't turn down money.... or an apology... would ya?


Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:47 -0400, "Scout" said:

I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a
long narrative,

That kind of story should begin "Once upon a time."

Maybe then you'd pay attention.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:34:47 -0400, "Scout"
said:

I had hoped to get some honest feedback without having to type a
long narrative,

That kind of story should begin "Once upon a time."

Maybe then you'd pay attention.



Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-)

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:52:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-)

Sounds like you know even less about the range of what lawyers do than
Wilbur.

I know all about what lawyers do. They hoodwink people into thinking
they actually ARE worth 500-1000 dollars an hour.

Sad, because I've now been to court three times in as many years and
I've represented myself each and every time. I've been acquitted each
and every time. The last time the poor judge resorted to saying, "OK,
Mr. Hubbard, you did your homework. I'm going to have to acquit." "Have
to?" Did you get that? In other words, the judge as much as admitted
that he didn't want to acquit and had already decided I was guilty
because the cop said so but I was so prepared and presented the law so
convincingly that he had no other choice. So much for the actual worth
of lawyers. Anybody with half a brain can be a successful lawyer. John
Kerry is proof of that.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:52:41 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Dave only pays attention when he hears the sound of an ambulance! :-)

Sounds like you know even less about the range of what lawyers do than
Wilbur.


Much less!!

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