Say what??? Are you saying that a Porsche GT3 or Turbo is slower and
less-quick than an Evo. How about a Dodge Viper, Saleen S7, or
Corvette
ZO6? I think even a BMW M3 (07) or an M5 (06) will dust your Evo or
WRX.


Max, while there are some seriously fast supercars, the Japanese have
matched them with cars like the STI and Evo, two cars that pull true
super-car numbers. An M5 won't dust an EVO. Still worse for a car like
the M5, cheap mods bring cars like the STI and Evo into a world of
speed that the M5 usually never sees. A stock EVO can pull 4.3 seconds
in 0-60 and do the quarter in 13 or less. Handling is true rally ready
level. The M5 is beautiful, the quality an experience all it's own.
But for shear driving enthusiasts you don't need an M5 any more. In
fact, when Nissan landed with the revised 300ZX twin turbo, it was
over then. Or for another good example, my Speed6 does just about
everything better than an Audi S4.
BTW, I tried to do a Lotus Elise, but I'm too tall. I consider it the
most amazing super-car built today for the money.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Say what??? Are you saying that a Porsche GT3 or Turbo is slower and
less-quick than an Evo. How about a Dodge Viper, Saleen S7, or
Corvette
ZO6? I think even a BMW M3 (07) or an M5 (06) will dust your Evo or
WRX.


Max, while there are some seriously fast supercars, the Japanese have
matched them with cars like the STI and Evo, two cars that pull true
super-car numbers.

Dream on, Bubbles. They are fast, but nowhere near supercar figures.

An M5 won't dust an EVO.

It would be interesting to see. The BMW factory got around 4 sec. 0-60s and
sub 12s in the quarter with one. No stock Evo will do that.

Still worse for a car like
the M5, cheap mods bring cars like the STI and Evo into a world of
speed that the M5 usually never sees.

The M5 doesn't need it, with over 500 bhp to begin with, not to mention
better engineering and construction quality than a Mitsu or Subu can ever
dream of.

A stock EVO can pull 4.3 seconds
in 0-60 and do the quarter in 13 or less.

See above. M5 already tops that. With mods, albeit expensive ones, the car
will produce over 600 bhp.

Handling is true rally ready
level. The M5 is beautiful, the quality an experience all it's own.
But for shear driving enthusiasts you don't need an M5 any more. In
fact, when Nissan landed with the revised 300ZX twin turbo, it was
over then. Or for another good example, my Speed6 does just about
everything better than an Audi S4.

Except maintain its resale value. g

BTW, I tried to do a Lotus Elise, but I'm too tall. I consider it the
most amazing super-car built today for the money.

It's not a supercar at all. But it is probably the best handling car you
can buy for under $100K. The Exige I have on order is a sport
version--read: lighter and suspended more for the track. It will probably
see as much track mileage as road time. I don't have time for an SCCA
campaign, but I can do the occasional track day.

Max

I think Max won.




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It would be interesting to see. The BMW factory got
around 4 sec. 0-60s and
sub 12s in the quarter with one. No stock Evo will do
that.

Still worse for a car like
the M5, cheap mods bring cars like the STI and Evo into
a world of
speed that the M5 usually never sees.

The M5 doesn't need it, with over 500 bhp to begin with,
not to mention
better engineering and construction quality than a Mitsu
or Subu can ever
dream of.

A stock EVO can pull 4.3 seconds
in 0-60 and do the quarter in 13 or less.

See above. M5 already tops that. With mods, albeit
expensive ones, the car
will produce over 600 bhp.

Handling is true rally ready
level. The M5 is beautiful, the quality an experience
all it's own.
But for shear driving enthusiasts you don't need an M5
any more. In
fact, when Nissan landed with the revised 300ZX twin
turbo, it was
over then. Or for another good example, my Speed6 does
just about
everything better than an Audi S4.

Except maintain its resale value. g

BTW, I tried to do a Lotus Elise, but I'm too tall. I
consider it the
most amazing super-car built today for the money.

It's not a supercar at all. But it is probably the best
handling car you
can buy for under $100K. The Exige I have on order is a
sport
version--read: lighter and suspended more for the track.
It will probably
see as much track mileage as road time. I don't have time
for an SCCA
campaign, but I can do the occasional track day.

Max

"Scotty" wrote in message
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I think Max won.


Dave and Max have beaten the living daylights out of RB.

Max has a much faster racing boat that he will actually race!

Max has a real sports car that he will actually race!

Bobsprit is left with an older tricked out semi cruiser that he will never
race.

Bobsprit is left with an inexpensive consumer car that he can pretend to
race (as long as nobody is watching).

Max has clubbed him royally. Boobers has lost any bragging rights, he is so
outclassed.

Now Dave has repeatedly beaten him over the head with a stanchion pipe.
Those questions about RB directing and stealing credits sure shut him up.
Dave's questions about city living hammered it home.

RB has little left to troll with. He is outclassed and outgunned.

Then his jokes about lakefront property! Why would the buyer contact his
lawyer? Is it such a mega deal the lawyer has to list it? Is the lawyer
listed as the owner? I can smell the fish from the lake all the way out
here! Boobers is so inexperienced in real estate he has no clue, he can't
even make up a believable lie!

Watch him leave a huge brown streak in a few weeks when I finally get around
to posting some sailing pictures. It will make him jump up and hit his head
on his 7 foot ceiling in his subterranean home theatre (that's another way
of saying basement).


Moo-ha-ha!

OUCH!!!! I'd feel sorry for him if he weren't such an
asshole.

Scotty


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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I think Max won.


Dave and Max have beaten the living daylights out of RB.

Max has a much faster racing boat that he will actually
race!

Max has a real sports car that he will actually race!

Bobsprit is left with an older tricked out semi cruiser
that he will never
race.

Bobsprit is left with an inexpensive consumer car that he
can pretend to
race (as long as nobody is watching).

Max has clubbed him royally. Boobers has lost any bragging
rights, he is so
outclassed.

Now Dave has repeatedly beaten him over the head with a
stanchion pipe.
Those questions about RB directing and stealing credits
sure shut him up.
Dave's questions about city living hammered it home.

RB has little left to troll with. He is outclassed and
outgunned.

Then his jokes about lakefront property! Why would the
buyer contact his
lawyer? Is it such a mega deal the lawyer has to list it?
Is the lawyer
listed as the owner? I can smell the fish from the lake
all the way out
here! Boobers is so inexperienced in real estate he has no
clue, he can't
even make up a believable lie!

Watch him leave a huge brown streak in a few weeks when I
finally get around
to posting some sailing pictures. It will make him jump up
and hit his head
on his 7 foot ceiling in his subterranean home theatre
(that's another way
of saying basement).


Moo-ha-ha!

Watch him leave a huge brown streak in a few weeks when I finally get
around
to posting some sailing pictures. It will make him jump up and hit his
head
on his 7 foot ceiling in his subterranean home theatre (that's another
way
of saying basement).



You'll never post any real pics.
On the other hand you'll see pics of my new theatre and car as well as
videos of actual sailing. That's why none of you get any respect. I
think most of you are lairs who don't sail at all, let alone own a
damn thing.
And that's why I'm the troll king. It's because my trolls just reality
with an edge that highlights your own failures. That's why Joe, Dave,
Scotty and all the rest MUST respond to anything I type here. They
moan that it's really for fun and so on. But the truth is rather
painful for them.
Oh, and your comment on the lawyer for property shows you haven't any
idea about how things work. Why would a loser on a bid have our new
phone #? Of course they called our closing attorney who is also our
accountant.
I remember when you could avoid such silly beatings by googling up
some facts, though common sense should have prevailed. We did agree to
sell.

RB
35s5
NY

It's not a supercar at all. But it is probably the best handling car you
can buy for under $100K. The Exige I have on order is a sport
version--read: lighter and suspended more for the track. It will probably
see as much track mileage as road time. I don't have time for an SCCA
campaign, but I can do the occasional track day.

Max


MAx, I think we have different definitions for Supercar. Handling to
me is the biggest element of what makes a car "great." Back in the day
my friends and I would laugh at straight line only metal like Grand
Nationals and Vettes. Either they couldn't handle or were very nervous
rides on any real twisty that wasn't perfectly smooth. No matter what
power a Mustang had, that fixed rear would always be the achilles
heal. A car like my Speed6 would murder a lot of faster cars with it's
refinded handling and quarter miles under 14 seconds is plenty of
power for the twisty runs...more than needed perhaps. These days there
are many cars pulling stock numbers that used to pretty rare. So for
me: if the car handles great and it can do a 1/4 mile in 5 seconds,
that's pretty "super." If it can do 165 MPH then it's a done deal. Now
there are cars that do 200 MPH and sub 4 second runs and quarters in
under 11 seconds. But they are usually not daily drivers. For example,
we could not use an STI as a daily driver with it's rally ready setup.
In that regard I would agree that an M5 is fantastic....fast AND
liveable day to day.
The Elise is the best handling car off the shelf so even without crazy
power it's certainly deserving of a supercar ranking. You also have to
give it up to the Elise because of the Toyota powerplant will be Miata
reliable. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.
One thing we can agree on...it's a fantastic time to be in love with
cars. Even my buddies BMW 330XI (that he bought used for a small sum
of 20K) is an amazingly refined car with plenty of fast fun on tap. As
you can probably tell I'm an AWD convert, which is why I chose the
Mazdaspeed6. I also live in a hilly windy area that can get snowy, so
I'd had to show some practicallity!


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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. I also live in a hilly windy area that can get snowy, so
I'd had to show some practicallity!


So are those who live in mountainous, jet stream terrain that get 20+ feet
of snow a year and drive front wheel drive cars better drivers than you?

In bad driving conditions it's not how fast you can go, it's how fast can
you stop. That is a matter of tires of which you know nothing!

Ground clearance is another factor you missed. But then you don't get
several 3 foot snowstorms a year otherwise you would be driving a Unimog! Or
too frightened to live there!


Mooo-haa-haaa!


Wasn't the Tribeca the ideal car?

Then you "gave" it to the old man.

Now he's driving a Forester!

What happened to the pig with wings?

Speaking of pigs, when are you getting rid of the Kia?

2006 Kia Sedona has the same or more recalls than any previous year!


Moooo-haaa-haaaa!!!!!!!


Stay tuned for sailing pics!!

Mooo-haaa-haaaa!!!!!!

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Wasn't the Tribeca the ideal car?

It was so ugly up front that Subaru redesigned it for '07.

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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It's not a supercar at all. But it is probably the best handling car you
can buy for under $100K. The Exige I have on order is a sport
version--read: lighter and suspended more for the track. It will
probably
see as much track mileage as road time. I don't have time for an SCCA
campaign, but I can do the occasional track day.

Max


MAx, I think we have different definitions for Supercar. Handling to
me is the biggest element of what makes a car "great." Back in the day
my friends and I would laugh at straight line only metal like Grand
Nationals and Vettes.

First let me state categorically that I don't like Corvettes. Their FRP
bodies are a joke, and they rattle miserably after only a few road miles.
That said, it's obvious you haven't driven one recently. They are anything
but "straight-line only metal." They handle remarkably well, and it takes
very little suspension and frame work to prodify one for competitive SCCA
racing. Once set up properly they are a bitch to beat. Only the Dodge
Viper can compete in that price range. And of course with over 500 bhp, the
Corvette is anything but slow or sluggish. In a year or two the Corvette ZO6
will have over 600 bhp.

Either they couldn't handle or were very nervous
rides on any real twisty that wasn't perfectly smooth.

Since the early 90s, the Vettes have been superb handling vehicles. Are you
referring to the older models? Some early Vettes (Stingrays, etc.) weren't
terribly competent on winding pavement.

No matter what
power a Mustang had, that fixed rear would always be the achilles
heal.

Naught but a muscle car. Not great handlers without one hell of a lot of
suspension modification.

A car like my Speed6 would murder a lot of faster cars with it's
refinded handling and quarter miles under 14 seconds is plenty of
power for the twisty runs...more than needed perhaps.

The Mazdaspeed 6 is indeed a very competent automobile, both on the track
and on pavement, but I believe you've greatly overstated its abilties. It
is nowhere in the handling league with Vipers, Corvettes, and such. And my
forthcoming Exige will outhandle everything we've mentioned so far. The
demo Elise I drove--not a sport version, incidentally--simply blew me away.
I had to own one.

These days there
are many cars pulling stock numbers that used to pretty rare.

Very true.

So for
me: if the car handles great and it can do a 1/4 mile in 5 seconds,
that's pretty "super." If it can do 165 MPH then it's a done deal.

It's governed to do quite a bit less than that. Remove the governor and you
can kiss your warranty goodbye.

Now
there are cars that do 200 MPH and sub 4 second runs and quarters in
under 11 seconds. But they are usually not daily drivers. For example,
we could not use an STI as a daily driver with it's rally ready setup.

Doubtful if anyone could, but properly set up for Euro.rally, it would cost
more than all the cars we've mentioned so far, COMBINED.

In that regard I would agree that an M5 is fantastic....fast AND
liveable day to day.
The Elise is the best handling car off the shelf so even without crazy
power it's certainly deserving of a supercar ranking. You also have to
give it up to the Elise because of the Toyota powerplant will be Miata
reliable. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

The Elise (roadster) and Exige (coupe) are not supercars. Handling may be
on par with supercars, but they lack the raw horsepower to be supercars. An
Exige with, say, 400 bhp, would indeed be a supercar. With the Toyota mill
they aren't slow, but they are far from supercar fast.

One thing we can agree on...it's a fantastic time to be in love with
cars. Even my buddies BMW 330XI (that he bought used for a small sum
of 20K) is an amazingly refined car with plenty of fast fun on tap. As
you can probably tell I'm an AWD convert, which is why I chose the
Mazdaspeed6. I also live in a hilly windy area that can get snowy, so
I'd had to show some practicallity!

AWD is nice, especially in crap weather. It even does well on the track, if
engineered properly. My BMW 330 Ci (coupe, not convertible) obviously
doesn't have it, but I think it's a fair trade to have RWD in a BMW as
opposed to AWD. I have an additional set of rims with winter
ultra-performance tires in addition to the M rims with ultra-performance
tires for summer use. Both get me around just fine, and I prefer the RWD
for twisty roads.

Supercars: Porsche GT3 or McLaren, Ferraris, Aston Martin Vantage, Saleen
S7, Ford GT, Dodge Viper, Corvette ZO6, stuff like that.

Max