"katy" wrote in message
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Jeff wrote:
* Nathan Branden wrote, On 5/8/2007 11:15 AM:

This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!


Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided
some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an
old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is
meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is
meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the
"easy buy" capital of the East Coast.

So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator
is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness?

The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the
beginning of the program....


And, it's only $19.95 plus tax. g


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
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This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!


Nathan Brandon

It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not.

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www.sailnow.com


It's not funny when you pretend to be a law-abiding citizen when you're
not. Remember how you bragged in writing about taking illegal drugs? Do
you need a reminder of what you wrote in alt.drugs?

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 May 2007 13:39:54 -0400, Jeff said:

It might have been different if Stoessel had actually
provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes
such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged
intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of
anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until
recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast.

Agreed.

So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased
commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness?

The problem is that Jon, unlike you, didn't try to refute the substance of
the message or point out the weakness of the author's support for it, but
instead simply attacked the messenger for his views on other matters
entirely. Big difference. You did it right (at least in your first
paragraph). He did it wrong.


Why should I try to refute something that's absurd? Is that how you get your
recreation?!

I did it wrong!! Hahahahaa... well, if you say so.

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* katy wrote, On 5/8/2007 1:54 PM:

Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually
provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes
such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged
intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of
anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until
recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast.

So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased
commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness?

The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the
beginning of the program....

I didn't watch the full program, though I did see some, and I watch
the videos on abc.com. There is no mention of gun control or gun
violence in either of Stossel's books. The recent book has a list of
supporting research in the back - nothing there relates to gun
control. It appears that gun control is an issue he's jumped on recently.

Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have
been prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns.
This is ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a
homicide rate that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last
year there were perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are
the size of a major city.) Its hard to believe that arming a
significant number of kids would make it safer.

If nothing else, adding a million or so guns to the campuses couldn't
possibly lower the suicide rate - there are over 1000 a year. Oddly,
the suicide rate on campus is about half that in non-students of the
same age group.

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime.
It
was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly
good
hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an
"associate
of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House.


Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge.

IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the
messenger.

Why am I not surprised?

Why would you be? Attacking the messenger is the common practice of the far
left these days.

Max

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime.
It
was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly
good
hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an
"associate
of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House.


Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge.

IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the
messenger.

Why am I not surprised?


There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the
source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that.

The same could be said about you. (left-wing stooge) But Dave and others
have argued the gist of the messages with you, rather than just proclaiming
you to be a left-wing stooge and dismissed therein. Your dismissal of
Stossel is pointless and disingenuous.

Max

Max

"Jeff" wrote in message

Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have been
prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns. This is
ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a homicide rate
that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last year there were
perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are the size of a major
city.) Its hard to believe that arming a significant number of kids would
make it safer.

Much as it troubles me to agree with you g I have to do so in this case.
Killings, with or without guns, are simply going to happen, on campus or
off. All the well-meaning legislation to prevent such events will be as
useful as attempting to milk a bull. But arming college kids, whose daily
mentality and activities are strongly influenced by testosterone, alcohol,
and drugs, would seem to be akin to pouring gasoline on the fire.

Max

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
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This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!


Nathan Brandon

It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


It's not funny when you pretend to be a law-abiding citizen when you're
not. Remember how you bragged in writing about taking illegal drugs? Do
you need a reminder of what you wrote in alt.drugs?

You aren't really expecting a response from Jon to this, are you?

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
...

This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let
this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!


Nathan Brandon

It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


It's not funny when you pretend to be a law-abiding citizen when
you're not. Remember how you bragged in writing about taking illegal
drugs? Do you need a reminder of what you wrote in alt.drugs?

You aren't really expecting a response from Jon to this, are you?

Max

No, I'm not. He's got me in his kill file and we all know it's totally
impervious. And, he also knows, even if he got Google to remove his
originals, I've got copies safely cloistered away on the web and on my
hard drive and on my thumb drive and on CD so they will NEVER really go
away as he would like.

I've even got a web page constructed with all his drug post there in
their unabashed glory. Three or four of them are even in the original
Google archive html format. I snagged those immediately after he got
Google to remove the very first one. His attempt to re-write history has
failed. I sure don't want him to ever forget the pitfalls of liberalism,
do you? Live by the sword, die by the sword. Bwahahahahahahahha.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Dave" wrote in message
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Might just be that folks in those states that are less restrictive on
guns are less inclined to commit crimes in the first place.

I'm not necessarily pro gun-control. I just object to unreasoning
nonsense.

Now that's funny!!!