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Bob Crantz May 7th 07 07:37 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm


a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent
victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds.
a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency
departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline.
a..
a..
a..
a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm
a..

Poverty is increasing!

The globe is warming!

Gun crime is the worst in history!

The schools are so bad!

We are losing in Iraq!

Worst economy in decades!

All Liberal Hogwash!!!!



katy May 7th 07 07:52 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm


a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent
victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds.
a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency
departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline.
a..
a..
a..
a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm
a..

Poverty is increasing!

The globe is warming!

Gun crime is the worst in history!

The schools are so bad!

We are losing in Iraq!

Worst economy in decades!

All Liberal Hogwash!!!!



John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night
regarding gun regulation....concensus by all studies showed that states
that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...they
interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot
knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...The usual
liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might
come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings
like Stoessel's....

Capt. JG May 7th 07 09:24 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
"katy" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm


a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent
victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds.
a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital
emergency departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39%
decline.
a..
a..
a..
a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm
a..

Poverty is increasing!

The globe is warming!

Gun crime is the worst in history!

The schools are so bad!

We are losing in Iraq!

Worst economy in decades!

All Liberal Hogwash!!!!


John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night
regarding gun regulation....concensus by all studies showed that states
that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...they
interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot
knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...The usual
liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might
come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings
like Stoessel's....



Oops....

http://archive.salon.com/media/featu...02/25/stossel/


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Jeff May 7th 07 10:46 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
* katy wrote, On 5/7/2007 2:52 PM:
Bob Crantz wrote:

John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night
regarding gun regulation....


Wherein he provided absolutely no evidence for his claims

concensus by all studies showed that states
that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...


???? The consensus is that these claims are meaningless and often
false. In particular, the John Lott claims have been totally discredited.

Here's a perfect example. It's a pro-gun site that didn't like the
bogus math of the NRA report. It shows, for better or worse, that the
states with a "right to carry" have a 15% higher murder rate than the
"May Issue" states:

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_rtcstates.html


they
interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot
knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...


Now there's a real reliable source.

The usual
liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might
come true...


That's why the NRA studies are often exposed as frauds. How about
John Lott's famous survey where the computer "ate the data" and he was
never able to produce a single person who either worked on it or
answered it.

Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings
like Stoessel's....


Did he find anything?


Maxprop May 7th 07 11:33 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 May 2007 14:52:02 -0400, katy
wrote:

Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm


a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent
victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds.
a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital
emergency
departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline.
a..
a..
a..
a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm
a..

Poverty is increasing!

The globe is warming!

Gun crime is the worst in history!

The schools are so bad!

We are losing in Iraq!

Worst economy in decades!

All Liberal Hogwash!!!!



John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night
regarding gun regulation....concensus by all studies showed that states
that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...they
interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot
knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...The usual
liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might
come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings
like Stoessel's....


John Stossell? Now THERE is a trusted source!


Compared with you he's The Voice of Truth.

Max



Capt. JG May 8th 07 04:41 AM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 May 2007 13:24:55 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings
like Stoessel's....



Oops....

http://archive.salon.com/media/featu...02/25/stossel/


Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It
was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good
hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an
"associate
of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House.



Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge.

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Capt. JG May 8th 07 04:04 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime.
It
was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly
good
hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an
"associate
of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House.



Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge.


IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the
messenger.

Why am I not surprised?



There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the
source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that.

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Jeff May 8th 07 06:39 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
* Nathan Branden wrote, On 5/8/2007 11:15 AM:
This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!


Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually
provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes
such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged
intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of
anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until
recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast.

So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased
commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness?

katy May 8th 07 06:54 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
Jeff wrote:
* Nathan Branden wrote, On 5/8/2007 11:15 AM:

This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!



Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually
provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes
such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged
intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything
is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was
the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast.

So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased
commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness?


The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the
beginning of the program....

Capt. JG May 8th 07 09:32 PM

Crime Plummets!!!
 
"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
...

This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes:


Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge."

Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to
attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?"

Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes,
because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that."


It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this
one slip by.


My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps!

Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho!


Nathan Brandon


It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not.

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