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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds. a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline. a.. a.. a.. a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm a.. Poverty is increasing! The globe is warming! Gun crime is the worst in history! The schools are so bad! We are losing in Iraq! Worst economy in decades! All Liberal Hogwash!!!! |
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Bob Crantz wrote:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds. a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline. a.. a.. a.. a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm a.. Poverty is increasing! The globe is warming! Gun crime is the worst in history! The schools are so bad! We are losing in Iraq! Worst economy in decades! All Liberal Hogwash!!!! John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night regarding gun regulation....concensus by all studies showed that states that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...they interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...The usual liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings like Stoessel's.... |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Bob Crantz wrote: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds. a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline. a.. a.. a.. a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm a.. Poverty is increasing! The globe is warming! Gun crime is the worst in history! The schools are so bad! We are losing in Iraq! Worst economy in decades! All Liberal Hogwash!!!! John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night regarding gun regulation....concensus by all studies showed that states that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...they interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...The usual liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings like Stoessel's.... Oops.... http://archive.salon.com/media/featu...02/25/stossel/ -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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* katy wrote, On 5/7/2007 2:52 PM:
Bob Crantz wrote: John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night regarding gun regulation.... Wherein he provided absolutely no evidence for his claims concensus by all studies showed that states that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime... ???? The consensus is that these claims are meaningless and often false. In particular, the John Lott claims have been totally discredited. Here's a perfect example. It's a pro-gun site that didn't like the bogus math of the NRA report. It shows, for better or worse, that the states with a "right to carry" have a 15% higher murder rate than the "May Issue" states: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_rtcstates.html they interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns... Now there's a real reliable source. The usual liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might come true... That's why the NRA studies are often exposed as frauds. How about John Lott's famous survey where the computer "ate the data" and he was never able to produce a single person who either worked on it or answered it. Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings like Stoessel's.... Did he find anything? |
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"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On Mon, 07 May 2007 14:52:02 -0400, katy wrote: Bob Crantz wrote: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalno.htm http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/...nonfatalrt.htm a.. From 1993 through 1997, less than 1% of serious nonfatal violent victimizations resulted in gunshot wounds. a.. The number of gunshot wounds from assaults treated in hospital emergency departments fell from 64,100 in 1993 to 39,400 in 1997, a 39% decline. a.. a.. a.. a.. http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm a.. Poverty is increasing! The globe is warming! Gun crime is the worst in history! The schools are so bad! We are losing in Iraq! Worst economy in decades! All Liberal Hogwash!!!! John Stoessal did one of his Myth buster things on 20/20 Friday night regarding gun regulation....concensus by all studies showed that states that allow private carry had the least amouint of gun crime...they interviewed a couiple of ciminals in prison..said that they would npot knowingly enter a house where they knew there were guns...The usual liberal cant is that if you say it long enough and loud enough it might come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings like Stoessel's.... John Stossell? Now THERE is a trusted source! Compared with you he's The Voice of Truth. Max |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 7 May 2007 13:24:55 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: come true...Funny how no one in the liberal sector comments oj findings like Stoessel's.... Oops.... http://archive.salon.com/media/featu...02/25/stossel/ Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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* Nathan Branden wrote, On 5/8/2007 11:15 AM:
This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast. So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness? |
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Jeff wrote:
* Nathan Branden wrote, On 5/8/2007 11:15 AM: This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast. So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness? The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the beginning of the program.... |
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"Nathan Branden" wrote in message
... This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nathan Brandon It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"katy" wrote in message
... Jeff wrote: * Nathan Branden wrote, On 5/8/2007 11:15 AM: This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast. So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness? The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the beginning of the program.... And, it's only $19.95 plus tax. g -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Nathan Branden" wrote in message ... This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nathan Brandon It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com It's not funny when you pretend to be a law-abiding citizen when you're not. Remember how you bragged in writing about taking illegal drugs? Do you need a reminder of what you wrote in alt.drugs? Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Tue, 08 May 2007 13:39:54 -0400, Jeff said: It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast. Agreed. So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness? The problem is that Jon, unlike you, didn't try to refute the substance of the message or point out the weakness of the author's support for it, but instead simply attacked the messenger for his views on other matters entirely. Big difference. You did it right (at least in your first paragraph). He did it wrong. Why should I try to refute something that's absurd? Is that how you get your recreation?! I did it wrong!! Hahahahaa... well, if you say so. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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* katy wrote, On 5/8/2007 1:54 PM:
Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast. So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness? The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the beginning of the program.... I didn't watch the full program, though I did see some, and I watch the videos on abc.com. There is no mention of gun control or gun violence in either of Stossel's books. The recent book has a list of supporting research in the back - nothing there relates to gun control. It appears that gun control is an issue he's jumped on recently. Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have been prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns. This is ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a homicide rate that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last year there were perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are the size of a major city.) Its hard to believe that arming a significant number of kids would make it safer. If nothing else, adding a million or so guns to the campuses couldn't possibly lower the suicide rate - there are over 1000 a year. Oddly, the suicide rate on campus is about half that in non-students of the same age group. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? Why would you be? Attacking the messenger is the common practice of the far left these days. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that. The same could be said about you. (left-wing stooge) But Dave and others have argued the gist of the messages with you, rather than just proclaiming you to be a left-wing stooge and dismissed therein. Your dismissal of Stossel is pointless and disingenuous. Max Max |
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"Jeff" wrote in message Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have been prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns. This is ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a homicide rate that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last year there were perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are the size of a major city.) Its hard to believe that arming a significant number of kids would make it safer. Much as it troubles me to agree with you g I have to do so in this case. Killings, with or without guns, are simply going to happen, on campus or off. All the well-meaning legislation to prevent such events will be as useful as attempting to milk a bull. But arming college kids, whose daily mentality and activities are strongly influenced by testosterone, alcohol, and drugs, would seem to be akin to pouring gasoline on the fire. Max |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Nathan Branden" wrote in message ... This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nathan Brandon It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com It's not funny when you pretend to be a law-abiding citizen when you're not. Remember how you bragged in writing about taking illegal drugs? Do you need a reminder of what you wrote in alt.drugs? You aren't really expecting a response from Jon to this, are you? Max |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Nathan Branden" wrote in message ... This hilarious exchange occured before my eyes: Capt JG: " Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge." Dave: "IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised?" Capt JG: "There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that." It appears Dave gets it quite well. It was just too funny to let this one slip by. My Corps,Your Corps, Our Corps, Marine Corps! Semper Fi! Semper Fi! Do or die! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Gung Ho! Nathan Brandon It's not funny that you pretend to be a Marine, when you're not. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com It's not funny when you pretend to be a law-abiding citizen when you're not. Remember how you bragged in writing about taking illegal drugs? Do you need a reminder of what you wrote in alt.drugs? You aren't really expecting a response from Jon to this, are you? Max No, I'm not. He's got me in his kill file and we all know it's totally impervious. And, he also knows, even if he got Google to remove his originals, I've got copies safely cloistered away on the web and on my hard drive and on my thumb drive and on CD so they will NEVER really go away as he would like. I've even got a web page constructed with all his drug post there in their unabashed glory. Three or four of them are even in the original Google archive html format. I snagged those immediately after he got Google to remove the very first one. His attempt to re-write history has failed. I sure don't want him to ever forget the pitfalls of liberalism, do you? Live by the sword, die by the sword. Bwahahahahahahahha. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... Might just be that folks in those states that are less restrictive on guns are less inclined to commit crimes in the first place. I'm not necessarily pro gun-control. I just object to unreasoning nonsense. Now that's funny!!! |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jeff" wrote in message Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have been prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns. This is ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a homicide rate that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last year there were perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are the size of a major city.) Its hard to believe that arming a significant number of kids would make it safer. Much as it troubles me to agree with you g I have to do so in this case. Killings, with or without guns, are simply going to happen, on campus or off. All the well-meaning legislation to prevent such events will be as useful as attempting to milk a bull. But arming college kids, whose daily mentality and activities are strongly influenced by testosterone, alcohol, and drugs, would seem to be akin to pouring gasoline on the fire. Max You obviously have not attended college in Laramie! |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? Why would you be? Attacking the messenger is the common practice of the far left these days. Max Also consider that you are arguing with someone with the maturity level of a young teenager. |
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ... Also consider that you are arguing with someone with the maturity level of a young teenager. as opposed to an old teenager? |
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"Jeff" wrote in message
. .. * katy wrote, On 5/8/2007 1:54 PM: Nonsense. It might have been different if Stoessel had actually provided some evidence for his claims, but he didn't. A few anecdotes such as an old lady who showed a shotgun and scared off an alleged intruder is meaningless. Using Washington, DC as an example of anything is meaningless as it's a subway ride from VA which until recently was the "easy buy" capital of the East Coast. So what's wrong wrong with pointing out that a heavily biased commentator is simply spewing more of his unsupported silliness? The supporting documentation is in his book...that was specidfied at the beginning of the program.... I didn't watch the full program, though I did see some, and I watch the videos on abc.com. There is no mention of gun control or gun violence in either of Stossel's books. The recent book has a list of supporting research in the back - nothing there relates to gun control. It appears that gun control is an issue he's jumped on recently. Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have been prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns. This is ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a homicide rate that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last year there were perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are the size of a major city.) Its hard to believe that arming a significant number of kids would make it safer. If nothing else, adding a million or so guns to the campuses couldn't possibly lower the suicide rate - there are over 1000 a year. Oddly, the suicide rate on campus is about half that in non-students of the same age group. Which I suppose is too bad, since that's where liberals are known to be.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message crapola removed You aren't really expecting a response from Jon to this, are you? Max Max, please don't repost Neal's crap. He's just an angry guy, and it just makes his condition worse. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? There's nothing "deal with" as far as the message goes, because of the source. Why am I not surprised you don't get that. The same could be said about you. (left-wing stooge) But Dave and others have argued the gist of the messages with you, rather than just proclaiming you to be a left-wing stooge and dismissed therein. Your dismissal of Stossel is pointless and disingenuous. Max I don't think I can be categorized so simply. I rarely point to a left-wing apologist as a source of fact. Please feel free to repost an example if you can. I can easily dismiss him, because he has no rational argument. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? Why would you be? Attacking the messenger is the common practice of the far left these days. Max Compared to what the right-wing has done for the last 8 years (or more). Well, ok. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:41:05 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: Err...Jon, that piece didn't say anything about the piece on gun crime. It was a simple hit-piece attacking Stoessel himself. Not a particularly good hit-piece at that. Reminded me of the FBI reports tagging X as an "associate of organized crime" because X once ate at Umberto's Clam House. Exactly my point... Stoessel is a right-wing stooge. IOW, rather than dealing with the message you'd prefer to attack the messenger. Why am I not surprised? Why would you be? Attacking the messenger is the common practice of the far left these days. Max Also consider that you are arguing with someone with the maturity level of a young teenager. Really... well, I'm sure you can back up your assertion. Go for it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Scotty" wrote in message
. .. "Bob Crantz" wrote in message ... Also consider that you are arguing with someone with the maturity level of a young teenager. as opposed to an old teenager? I always wanted to be 19 again... even when I was 12. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Jeff" wrote in message Like many others, he suggests that perhaps the VT killings could have been prevented if students and teachers were permitted to carry guns. This is ignoring the fact that campuses are extremely safe, with a homicide rate that is a small fraction of the national average. (Last year there were perhaps 20 murders on campus, which collectively are the size of a major city.) Its hard to believe that arming a significant number of kids would make it safer. Much as it troubles me to agree with you g I have to do so in this case. Killings, with or without guns, are simply going to happen, on campus or off. All the well-meaning legislation to prevent such events will be as useful as attempting to milk a bull. But arming college kids, whose daily mentality and activities are strongly influenced by testosterone, alcohol, and drugs, would seem to be akin to pouring gasoline on the fire. Max You obviously have not attended college in Laramie! Oh, but I did, for one semester. I pledged ATO and lived in Wyo Hall for the duration. Then transferred to Indiana University. Changed majors to something Wyoming didn't have. Max |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I don't think I can be categorized so simply. I rarely point to a left-wing apologist as a source of fact. Please feel free to repost an example if you can. I can easily dismiss him, because he has no rational argument. You rarely, if ever, point out any facts. Your only method of "argument" is ad hominen as several others routinely point out. Your method is to either attack, killfile (doubtful) or netkkkop the messenger. Throw this in with your continued personal attacks on public figures with no substantive discourse on solutions to perceived problems one could only categorize you in the left wing looney bin. I realize you will never, ever "get it" or understand this. Your mind is too crippled to understand consequences and context. Your years of posting history clearly demonstrates this. The best anyone can do in dealing with you is to have patience, tolerance and understanding. It will never be a mutually beneficial exchange and I seriously doubt, except for those with the most arrested of development, anyone ever dealt with you and came away a better person. You never left the short bus, you just now drive it around the parking lot. I pray for you! Amen! Bob Crantz PS: I can send you a Bible if you think that would help. |
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I don't think I can be categorized so simply. I rarely point to a left-wing apologist as a source of fact. Please feel free to repost an example if you can. I can easily dismiss him, because he has no rational argument. You rarely, if ever, point out any facts. Your only method of "argument" is ad hominen as several others routinely point out. Your method is to either attack, killfile (doubtful) or netkkkop the messenger. Throw this in with your continued personal attacks on public figures with no substantive discourse on solutions to perceived problems one could only categorize you in the left wing looney bin. I realize you will never, ever "get it" or understand this. Your mind is too crippled to understand consequences and context. Your years of posting history clearly demonstrates this. The best anyone can do in dealing with you is to have patience, tolerance and understanding. It will never be a mutually beneficial exchange and I seriously doubt, except for those with the most arrested of development, anyone ever dealt with you and came away a better person. You never left the short bus, you just now drive it around the parking lot. You're a liar. That's not a personal attack, just an observation. And, of course, you haven't reposted anything that shows it. On the other hand, you've threatened me with (what?) physical harm should we meet (fortunately, that's unlikely). You continually post about how Neal is such a great guy, yet this is someone who does continually demostrate what you wrote. I think you're the one who needs to read the bible. Pick any version, you'll get the gist of it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Crime Plummets!!!
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You're a liar. That's not a personal attack, just an observation. And, of course, you haven't reposted anything that shows it. On the other hand, you've threatened me with (what?) physical harm should we meet (fortunately, that's unlikely). You continually post about how Neal is such a great guy, yet this is someone who does continually demostrate what you wrote. Actually you lying and you repeatedly commit libel. Show me the exact quote where I threatened you with any physical harm. You have said this now 4 times, let's see the proof. Capt Neal is a great guy and wonderful man. He has always been very nice to me, has offered accurate and timely advice, great words of encourage and we both share a great many interests. Maybe if you focused on the positive in others your life would not be so negative. Cough up that proof! If we did ever meet it would be painless. Amen! Bob Crantz, praying even harder for your soul! God Bless you! |
Crime Plummets!!!
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Crime Plummets!!!
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... You're a liar. That's not a personal attack, just an observation. And, of course, you haven't reposted anything that shows it. On the other hand, you've threatened me with (what?) physical harm should we meet (fortunately, that's unlikely). You continually post about how Neal is such a great guy, yet this is someone who does continually demostrate what you wrote. Actually you lying and you repeatedly commit libel. Show me the exact quote where I threatened you with any physical harm. You have said this now 4 times, let's see the proof. See below. What exactly did you mean? No, don't answer. Capt Neal is a great guy and wonderful man. He has always been very nice to me, has offered accurate and timely advice, great words of encourage and we both share a great many interests. Maybe if you focused on the positive in others your life would not be so negative. Sure. Well, that says a lot about both of you I guess. Cough up that proof! If we did ever meet it would be painless. Don't worry. I'll do my best to avoid it. Here you go... last from me on the subject. Feel free to have the last word. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...1d80fa8?hl=en& -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Where exactly is the threat of physical harm?
Here's the essence: "" In the past I walked away from here only to be talked into coming back by several others. The last time I did it begrudgingly out of personal friendship. Just pray to god you never meet me in person. I'm not in control of what you do and where you go, but it's pretty to think so. I take the rest of this as a lame threat intended to shut me up. You're obviously a sick guy, who is now going to what? beat me up? I think you're pretty much nothing as a person, so it's nice to know you have a friend. Given what you and your "friend" have called me, I think that's pretty tame and restrained. Feel free to not let the door hit you on the way out. You can only do so much for your friend."" "You're obviously a sick guy, who is now going to what? beat me up? I think you're pretty much nothing as a person" Where is the threat of harm? Does a "reasonable man" then go on to taunt and provoke a person who alledgedly threatens "physical harm"? hmmmm? I demand that you retract what you have said immediately and apologize. I may go see a lawyer about this. I am fed up with your constant attacks on me and extremely upset with the damage you have caused to my reputation. |
Crime Plummets!!!
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
... Where exactly is the threat of physical harm? Here's the essence: "" In the past I walked away from here only to be talked into coming back by several others. The last time I did it begrudgingly out of personal friendship. Just pray to god you never meet me in person. I'm not in control of what you do and where you go, but it's pretty to think so. I take the rest of this as a lame threat intended to shut me up. You're obviously a sick guy, who is now going to what? beat me up? I think you're pretty much nothing as a person, so it's nice to know you have a friend. Given what you and your "friend" have called me, I think that's pretty tame and restrained. Feel free to not let the door hit you on the way out. You can only do so much for your friend."" "You're obviously a sick guy, who is now going to what? beat me up? I think you're pretty much nothing as a person" Where is the threat of harm? Does a "reasonable man" then go on to taunt and provoke a person who alledgedly threatens "physical harm"? hmmmm? I demand that you retract what you have said immediately and apologize. I may go see a lawyer about this. I am fed up with your constant attacks on me and extremely upset with the damage you have caused to my reputation. I take it back. I'll respond. Go for it. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message ... If we did ever meet it would be pantyless. Amen! TMI |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... I take it back. -- That is one of the nicest things you have ever done, admitting your error in saying that I ever threatened you with physical harm. I accept you taking what you said back and am startled at your fine gesture. I hope we can bury the hatchet now and begin anew. Your apology is graciously accepted. Bob Crantz |
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"Scotty" wrote in message . .. "Bob Crantz" wrote in message ... If we did ever meet it would be pantyless. Amen! TMI Ganz looks stunning in his rubber maids outfit and bright red ballgag. Simply mahvelous! |
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