Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United
States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new
international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain --
has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in
Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent crime
among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the
population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the list
with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized
nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of
victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most
categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

a.. The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in
England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the United
States and 0.4 percent in Japan.
b.. Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest
recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher
rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the
U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;
c.. "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of
crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24
percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the
middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the London
Telegraph said.
d.. England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5 percent
of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1 percent
in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed among
the "top 10" nations.
e.. The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4
percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark was
second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization rates --
just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the Irish
Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.
Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other
industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control
laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun Violence
website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a
much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by lawmakers
in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that Australia
actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him a
Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted murder,
assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the last
for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a
firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime
victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in 1988,
to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder rates
was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they note
that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories -- burglary
(3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall
victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread gun
ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban
promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different
story:

a.. Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
b.. Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
c.. Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
d.. In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300
percent.
e.. In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been
dropping steadily.
f.. There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and
assaults on the elderly.

Related stories:

Crime up down under

Australia shoots back at NRA

Jon E. Dougherty is a staff writer for WorldNetDaily.


http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html

HUh? wrote:
Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the
United States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new
international study says that America's former master -- Great
Britain -- has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden
University in Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second
overall in violent crime among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the
population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led
the list with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. There are also people who seem
to be so bereft of geographical knowledge that their numbers, even if
accurate, become a little meaningless...

Headline refers to: Great Britain.
Ranking position refers to: England and Wales.
Actual statistic refers to: English citizens.

Whoever wrote that article should avail themselves of a map and count the
countries in Great Britain. They should also get out My Big Book Of
Fallacies and find out about the fallacy of composition.


--
Wally
www.makearatherlonglinkthattakesyounowhere.com
Things are always clearer in the cold, post-upload light.

And I bet you have the numbers to prove it!

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...

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:54:42 GMT, "HUh?" wrote:

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United
States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new
international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain --
has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in
Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent
crime
among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the
population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the
list
with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized
nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of
victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most
categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

a.. The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in
England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the
United
States and 0.4 percent in Japan.
b.. Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest
recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher
rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the
U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;
c.. "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of
crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24
percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the
middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the
London
Telegraph said.
d.. England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5
percent
of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1
percent
in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed
among
the "top 10" nations.
e.. The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4
percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark
was
second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization
rates --
just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the
Irish
Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.
Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other
industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control
laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun
Violence
website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a
much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by
lawmakers
in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that
Australia
actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him
a
Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted
murder,
assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the
last
for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a
firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime
victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in
1988,
to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder
rates
was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they
note
that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories --
burglary
(3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall
victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread
gun
ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban
promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different
story:

a.. Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
b.. Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
c.. Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
d.. In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300
percent.
e.. In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been
dropping steadily.
f.. There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries
and
assaults on the elderly.

Related stories:

Crime up down under

Australia shoots back at NRA

Jon E. Dougherty is a staff writer for WorldNetDaily.


http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics... Mark Twain.

Capetanios Oz wrote in message
...

Bwaaaahahahahahhaahhahahhaaaaa!
I love statistics, when coupled with an imaginative use of the english
language you can make them say anything.



On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:54:42 GMT, "HUh?" wrote:

Law enforcement and anti-crime activists regularly claim that the United
States tops the charts in most crime-rate categories, but a new
international study says that America's former master -- Great Britain --
has much higher levels of crime.

The International Crime Victims Survey, conducted by Leiden University in
Holland, found that England and Wales ranked second overall in violent
crime
among industrialized nations.

Twenty-six percent of English citizens -- roughly one-quarter of the
population -- have been victimized by violent crime. Australia led the
list
with more than 30 percent of its population victimized.

The United States didn't even make the "top 10" list of industrialized
nations whose citizens were victimized by crime.

Jack Straw, the British home secretary, admitted that "levels of
victimization are higher than in most comparable countries for most
categories of crime."

Highlights of the study indicated that:

a.. The percentage of the population that suffered "contact crime" in
England and Wales was 3.6 percent, compared with 1.9 percent in the
United
States and 0.4 percent in Japan.
b.. Burglary rates in England and Wales were also among the highest
recorded. Australia (3.9 percent) and Denmark (3.1 per cent) had higher
rates of burglary with entry than England and Wales (2.8 percent). In the
U.S., the rate was 2.6 percent, according to 1995 figures;
c.. "After Australia and England and Wales, the highest prevalence of
crime was in Holland (25 percent), Sweden (25 percent) and Canada (24
percent). The United States, despite its high murder rate, was among the
middle ranking countries with a 21 percent victimization rate," the
London
Telegraph said.
d.. England and Wales also led in automobile thefts. More than 2.5
percent
of the population had been victimized by car theft, followed by 2.1
percent
in Australia and 1.9 percent in France. Again, the U.S. was not listed
among
the "top 10" nations.
e.. The study found that Australia led in burglary rates, with nearly 4
percent of the population having been victimized by a burglary. Denmark
was
second with 3.1 percent; the U.S. was listed eighth at about 1.8 percent.
Interestingly, the study found that one of the lowest victimization
rates --
just 15 percent overall -- occurred in Northern Ireland, home of the
Irish
Republican Army and scene of years of terrorist violence.
Analysts in the U.S. were quick to point out that all of the other
industrialized nations included in the survey had stringent gun-control
laws, but were overall much more violent than the U.S.

Indeed, information on Handgun Control's Center to Prevent Handgun
Violence
website actually praises Australia and attempts to portray Australia as a
much safer country following strict gun-control measures passed by
lawmakers
in 1996.

"The next time a credulous friend or acquaintance tells you that
Australia
actually suffered more crime when they got tougher on guns ... offer him
a
Foster's, and tell him the facts," the CPHV site says.

"In 1998, the rate at which firearms were used in murder, attempted
murder,
assault, sexual assault and armed robbery went down. In that year, the
last
for which statistics are available, the number of murders involving a
firearm declined to its lowest point in four years," says CPHV.

However, the International Crime Victims Survey notes that overall crime
victimization Down Under rose from 27.8 percent of the population in
1988,
to 28.6 percent in 1991 to over 30 percent in 1999.

Advocates of less gun control in the U.S. say the drop in gun murder
rates
was more than offset by the overall victimization increase. Also, they
note
that Australia leads the ICVS report in three of four categories --
burglary
(3.9 percent of the population), violent crime (4.1 percent) and overall
victimization (about 31 percent).

Australia is second to England in auto theft (2.1 percent).

In March 2000, WorldNetDaily reported that since Australia's widespread
gun
ban, violent crime had increased in the country.

WND reported that, although lawmakers responsible for passing the ban
promised a safer country, the nation's crime statistics tell a different
story:

a.. Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.
b.. Assaults are up 8.6 percent.
c.. Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent.
d.. In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300
percent.
e.. In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been
dropping steadily.
f.. There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries
and
assaults on the elderly.

Related stories:

Crime up down under

Australia shoots back at NRA

Jon E. Dougherty is a staff writer for WorldNetDaily.


http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html




Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

Politicians are like magicians, it's all slight of hand.

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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:36:20 GMT, "HUh?" wrote:

And I bet you have the numbers to prove it!

Nah, but if GWB can show how he's winning the war...anything possible.


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