"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:54:28 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Wow... that's a nice gift!

What can I say? She's a great kid.


Either that or good brainwashing. g

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

So a mooring is starting to look a bit better to you now?



Hell no. We'll only go because our friend has nice house there and
that's where my MG-TF is being restored. We'll visit a few times. No
way would I ever give up the ease/fun of a slip and also Suzanne's
folks are getting on in years, but still like to come sailing. A
dinghy or launch would not be easy for them. Of course some folks need
to save and the slip is really pricey for most. Easily twice what you
pay, but it's worth it...even if I had to pay. This year we got even
more sailboats in, defecting from NYYC, Harlem and Capri.....all nice
clubs, but slips are sweeter. Last season my ex brought her boat in
for the last two months and she admitted she used the boat more. She
sailed more and just spent more time playing on board because a dock
is that much more convenneint.
Moorings are for trailer trash and no crappy restaurant (that members
are forced to eat at in many cases), lack of any real services and
semi-access to a boat will convince anyone otherwise.


RB
35s5
NY

On 9 Apr 2007 11:31:36 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Moorings are for trailer trash and no crappy restaurant (that members
are forced to eat at in many cases), lack of any real services and
semi-access to a boat will convince anyone otherwise.

Wow. Quite a contrast here between you and Wilbur,
who doesn't have a slip and doesn't seem to sail nearly as
often as you do.
Perhaps my respect for Wilbur is misplaced.
BTW, I'm strongly considering a Mac 26M.
What is your opinion of that boat?

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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BTW, I'm strongly considering a Mac 26M.
What is your opinion of that boat?



Cheap, lightly built, ugly, trailer motor sailer for cheap, lightweight,
stupid buyers who couldn't make an informed, worthwhile purchase if his
life depended on it.

Oh, and you have no pride or self-worth. People who admit they bought or
consider buying a MacGregor 26 are proven to have no self-esteem. How
could they while making such a totally uninformed purchase and
lose-your-hat investment?


Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
BTW, I'm strongly considering a Mac 26M.
What is your opinion of that boat?



Cheap, lightly built, ugly, trailer motor sailer for cheap, lightweight,
stupid buyers who couldn't make an informed, worthwhile purchase if his
life depended on it.

Oh, and you have no pride or self-worth. People who admit they bought or
consider buying a MacGregor 26 are proven to have no self-esteem. How
could they while making such a totally uninformed purchase and
lose-your-hat investment?

So scuttling the Mac idea, what do you recommend?
I need = 2' draft, decent live aboard accommodation for 2,
no more than 30k ready-to-go.
No blue water or heavy weather sailing.
Used mostly for gunkholing West Florida and the Keys.
You sure seem to know your boats, so any advice appreciated.

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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So scuttling the Mac idea, what do you recommend?
I need = 2' draft, decent live aboard accommodation for 2,
no more than 30k ready-to-go.
No blue water or heavy weather sailing.
Used mostly for gunkholing West Florida and the Keys.
You sure seem to know your boats, so any advice appreciated.

--Vic


Vic, you've got to keep in mind that Wilber, aka Neal, is just a troll.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

* Vic Smith wrote, On 4/9/2007 10:00 PM:

So scuttling the Mac idea, what do you recommend?
I need = 2' draft, decent live aboard accommodation for 2,
no more than 30k ready-to-go.
No blue water or heavy weather sailing.
Used mostly for gunkholing West Florida and the Keys.
You sure seem to know your boats, so any advice appreciated.


My first choice for this type of cruising was (and is) a catamaran.
However, it will be difficult find one at $30K; the cheapest I've seen
is about $60K for an old, but serviceable cat. This, however, would
be huge compared to a Mac.

My second choice would be something like this:
http://www.marshallcat.com/
The problem with these is that the larger one at 22 feet is too wide
to take long distance on a trailer. (You can still use a trailer, but
it's a wide load and the mast is not easy to step alone.) But you
would be pretty much guarantee that you'd the prettiest boat where
ever you went.

Third choice would be one of the many "clorox bottle" trailer boats,
of which the Mac is the epitome. However, I would also consider a
small powerboat; personally, I probably get more use out of this:
http://www.parkerboats.net/pages/boa....jsp?boatid=18

There a few bits of info you haven't offered us: First, does this
need to be a trailer boat? Second, are you looking for new, gently
used, or a fixer upper? And if your perfect boat stretched your
budget, would you go for it?

* Vic Smith wrote, On 4/9/2007 6:57 PM:
On 9 Apr 2007 11:31:36 -0700, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Moorings are for trailer trash and no crappy restaurant (that members
are forced to eat at in many cases), lack of any real services and
semi-access to a boat will convince anyone otherwise.

Wow. Quite a contrast here between you and Wilbur,
who doesn't have a slip and doesn't seem to sail nearly as
often as you do.
Perhaps my respect for Wilbur is misplaced.
BTW, I'm strongly considering a Mac 26M.
What is your opinion of that boat?

--Vic

Yes, there is a contrast between RB and Wilbur. One difference is
that RB has never actually sailed out of sight of his slip. Although
he talks frequently of "cruising" he's only spent a handful of nights
at anchor in 10 years.

The Mac 26M has very specific virtues that might make it a good choice
for some people. In particular, its at the upper limit of size for an
easily trailerable boat, and with a big engine it can be much faster
than any normal sailboat. However, its a ****-poor sailer, and you
can do a lot better with a purpose built powerboat.

"Jeff" wrote in

Yes, there is a contrast between RB and Wilbur. One
difference is
that RB has never actually sailed out of sight of his
slip. Although
he talks frequently of "cruising" he's only spent a
handful of nights
at anchor in 10 years.

That's because he ''needs'' an airconditioner.

S

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:08:15 -0400, Jeff wrote:


The Mac 26M has very specific virtues that might make it a good choice
for some people. In particular, its at the upper limit of size for an
easily trailerable boat, and with a big engine it can be much faster
than any normal sailboat. However, its a ****-poor sailer, and you
can do a lot better with a purpose built powerboat.

If you want fast speed that's true. But if you want to power at
moderate speed and still have room for excursions you can't beat
the Mac 26M for price and operating economy. The sail capability
is a bonus. Some Mac owners buy them for that excursion value and use
them exclusively for motoring, even removing mast/rigging.
I've seen some discussion on the Mac forum where that calculation
was done, and to get a power cruiser comparable to the Mac in living
space would be something like a 24' Bayliner at 70k. And I'm sure
that Bayliner is a real gas hog.
I don't fault them for that if it works for them.
Personally, I would prefer a boat that sails well if it carries sail.
And I'm a bit leery of the load carrying capability of the Mac.
But when all is considered, if that shoe fits me, I'll wear it.

--Vic