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I need to replace my the halyard for main main sail. How can I do this
without climbing the mast?

The old halyard is still in place.

Thanks



Cruise up to a bridge of proper height, go up on the bridge, replace the
line and give it all a good inspection. Great way to replace bulbs up there
too.

Praise!

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:06:26 -0500, Jeff wrote:

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 5:38 PM:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...
You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.

On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.
There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.

I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find
the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key?

Nope, but I have a fairly large shackle.

I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might
add to
the crowding there, as well.

It might.

My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice
would be
stronger.

A "well done splice" is generally stronger than a knot, but its easy
to see that a knot is well tied, but its harder to tell if a splice is
well done. I've seen more splices fail than knots.

The real question is "How much strength is needed?" I think halyard
tension is well under 1000 pounds, while the strength of the line with
a knot is probably 5 times that.

Thanks, Jeff. I may give this a try. It certainly has some clear
advantages. I
can tell if a splice is well done, because I do them all myself. I use my
main
sail halyard for going up the mast, so it's a fairly critical
consideration for
me.

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the halyard
to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been thinking you are.
Hope your insurance is paid up.

Max

On Mar 1, 8:09 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 1 Mar 2007 17:20:08 -0800, "Joe" wrote:





On Mar 1, 4:38 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:
* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...

You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.

On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.

There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.

I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key? I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might add to
the crowding there, as well. My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice would be
stronger.

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Instead of doing it half assed, get stainless cable with a swedged on
end with a toggle and halyard shackle.

Sheeeze............ leave it to a C&C owner to tie his sails on with
a knot.

Joe

Please let us all know when you get a clue and become a competent sailor.

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Please let us know when you can afford a shackle.

Joe

On Mar 1, 8:29 pm, Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:21:15 GMT, "Maxprop" wrote:

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:06:26 -0500, Jeff wrote:

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 5:38 PM:
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:43:53 -0500, Jeff wrote:

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
...
You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.

On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.
There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.

I may consider that idea the next time I replace a halyard. Do you find
the knot
gets in the way at times when trying to use a shackle key?

Nope, but I have a fairly large shackle.

I have a number of
halyards that are all clipped to a mast ring when not in use. That might
add to
the crowding there, as well.

It might.

My other question would be the relative strength of
a well done splice versus a well tied knot. I tend to think the splice
would be
stronger.

A "well done splice" is generally stronger than a knot, but its easy
to see that a knot is well tied, but its harder to tell if a splice is
well done. I've seen more splices fail than knots.

The real question is "How much strength is needed?" I think halyard
tension is well under 1000 pounds, while the strength of the line with
a knot is probably 5 times that.

Thanks, Jeff. I may give this a try. It certainly has some clear
advantages. I
can tell if a splice is well done, because I do them all myself. I use my
main
sail halyard for going up the mast, so it's a fairly critical
consideration for
me.

If you're using the spliced-on shackle on the halyard to secure the halyard
to your bosun's chair, you're a bigger fool than I've been thinking you are.
Hope your insurance is paid up.

Max

You are the fool. I know a lot more about this subject than you will ever know.

Sure you do BB. You should use a granny knot to tie the halyard onto
your main.
Use your shackle 's and thimbles on your dock lines like bubbles.

Joe

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Scotty wrote:
"katy" wrote in message
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Scotty wrote:

"katy" wrote in message
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Wouldn't hold...ours has to run through a plastic sleeve

all the way up


the mast...keeps things from banging against each other

in

there....

Does that cause resistance? That's not good, is it?
BTW, I too have internal halyards.

Scotty




No...there's no resistance...


Well then,duct tape should be sufficient. But sew it to be
sure!

Scotty



Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't work..there is resistance
WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate, we have no
problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will continue to use that
since it works for us and the other doesn't...

"Scotty" w@u wrote in message
. ..
Really? Have your tried this?

yelp, twice.

SBV

yelp yelp

shaun

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Cruise up to a bridge of proper height, go up on the
bridge, replace the
line and give it all a good inspection.
Great way to BREAK bulbs up there
too.


Yulp

"katy" wrote in message
...


Like I said, we've tried that and it wouldn't work..there
is resistance
WIT the tape on, not under general load...at any rate, we
have no
problems with the messenger line techniqwue so will
continue to use that
since it works for us and the other doesn't...

whatever floats your boat.

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:03:49 -0500, "Scotty" w@u wrote:

No, it was the scum bag known as BB.



You might be headed for trouble you never imagined. You
might want to take a
very long leave from usenet. Who knows?


Oh NO! PLEASE don't hurt me Chuckles. I'll behave. I
promise.

SBV

"katy" wrote in message
...
All our lines are oversized...on purpose...

I am replacing my main halliard at this very moment because before I bought
the boat someone who should have known better used a 14mm rope and forced it
through a stopper at the cockpit which was clearly marked that it wa sized
for 10-12mm rope. Had to use the winch to hoist the sail last year because
of the drag through that stopper. New halliard will be 10mm Spectra. If your
lines come back to the cockpit forget about wire, which is only OK if you
have a rope tail on it and when the sail is up there are several turns of
wire onto a mast mounted winch. Also, when you are being hoisted up in the
bosun's chair on a wire halliard you have ample time to consider whether you
did that rope-to-wire splice properly... ( been there, done that, still
here...)