"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:18:46 -0500, "Scotty" w@u wrote:


"Charlie Morgan" wrote i
stupid crap deleted

Really? Have your tried this?

yelp, twice.

SBV


Maybe on the third try, you should follow my instructions.
Then you
won't have to keep trying.

your 4th grade education is showing.

On Mar 1, 1:20 pm, "Scotty" w@u wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in



1) Have someone else climb the mast

Dumb!

he said ***WITHOUT*** climbing the mast.

If he has someone else climb the mast, then he won't need
to climb it,
dim****.

I'm surprised you didn't advise him to drop the mast.

It's amazing how a Harvard retard can turn something simple into a
complex task.

Perhaps BB wears out his halyard so much that they can not support the
weight of a new halyard.

Joe

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message
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I was leaving that for you, but you were too slow on the
uptake. I
also left out renting a hot air balloon, if you want to
mention that
idea to him. I'll let you take fuill credit, since it
sounds like
something you would come up with on your own anyway.


You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.

"Joe" wrote in
I'm surprised you didn't advise him to drop the mast.

It's amazing how a Harvard retard can turn something
simple into a
complex task.

Perhaps BB wears out his halyard so much that they can not
support the
weight of a new halyard.


Perhaps he doesn't have a boat

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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I need to replace my the halyard for main main sail. How can I do this
without climbing the mast?

The old halyard is still in place.

Thanks



You can cut off whatever is at the business end of the old halyard and
either sew the new one on temporarily or attach a mouse (light line) to it
with tape and pull it through... I've done the latter several times...
just
pull gently otherwise you might separate the two lines.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

What a lengthy argument about the simplest of jobs which I have done many
times!
You _must_ use a messenger line unless your boat is very small because it is
very hard to sew two fullsize ropes together with a strong joint that will
not bulge and jam in the sheave at the top. Also Jon's suggestion of tape is
a no-no because as the new halliard is hauled up there is every chance the
whole thing will come unstuck and you will lose the end and then you will
have to get yourself hauled up on the spinnaker halliard to reeve the new
one or drop a 'mouse' down (if the halliard runs inside the mast). My mast
is 50' high and by the time you have hauled 50' of rope up to the top the
weight on the join is quite substantial and the additional tug as the joint
goes over the sheave may prove to be the last straw.
The messenger line can be quite small because synthetic line is very strong
and this enables you to use a sail needle and incorporate it into the old
rope in such a way that it will stand very considerable force. Take a bit of
trouble over this and save yourself a big hassle.
I have four halliards going to the top of my mast and like to take them down
periodically and put them through the washing machine. Cleans them and
softens the rope which may have developed stiffness due to stress and time.

Scotty wrote:
Here's an explanation as to why charlie is an idiot. Yes, I
know you all knew it already, but charlie needs things
spelled out for him.

"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message

1) Have someone else climb the mast


Dumb!


he said ***WITHOUT*** climbing the mast.




2) Attach a small diameter "messenger" line to the

bitter

end and pull

that through. Then detach the old halyard. At the point

where the old

halyard was attached, you now attach the bitter end of

the

new halyard

and use the messenger line to pull it through.

Dumber!



Why do you need a messanger line? Just sew the new halyard
to the old one.



2a) If the old halyard is really of no potential for

reuse, then you

can just cut off the headboard shackle, attach the

bitter

end of the

new halyard to that end, and pull it through.


Really stupid!



Cut? Why? Save the old halyard for a spare.



Actually, as much as CM is a royal dunce, the messenfer line is better
in some respects becasue then you're not passing an increased width of
line through the roller at the top. On some boats, any increase in
width will cause a jam up there and then you'll end up going up the mast
anyway...also, if you have internal halyards like ours, the whole
operation goes smotther using a messenger line..we just use that cheap
stuff from WallyWorld...more cord than line, but it's strong enough not
to break under tension and slides over things ...

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:20:31 -0500, Scotty wrote
(in article ):


"Charlie Morgan" wrote in

1) Have someone else climb the mast


Dumb!

he said ***WITHOUT*** climbing the mast.


If he has someone else climb the mast, then he won't need
to climb it,
dim****.

I'm surprised you didn't advise him to drop the mast.



Sell the boat and buy one that has a new halyard.... Problem solved!

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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wrote in message
ups.com...
I need to replace my the halyard for main main sail. How can I do this
without climbing the mast?

The old halyard is still in place.

Thanks



You can cut off whatever is at the business end of the old halyard and
either sew the new one on temporarily or attach a mouse (light line) to
it
with tape and pull it through... I've done the latter several times...
just
pull gently otherwise you might separate the two lines.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

What a lengthy argument about the simplest of jobs which I have done many
times!
You _must_ use a messenger line unless your boat is very small because it
is
very hard to sew two fullsize ropes together with a strong joint that will
not bulge and jam in the sheave at the top. Also Jon's suggestion of tape
is
a no-no because as the new halliard is hauled up there is every chance the
whole thing will come unstuck and you will lose the end and then you will
have to get yourself hauled up on the spinnaker halliard to reeve the new
one or drop a 'mouse' down (if the halliard runs inside the mast). My mast
is 50' high and by the time you have hauled 50' of rope up to the top the
weight on the join is quite substantial and the additional tug as the
joint
goes over the sheave may prove to be the last straw.
The messenger line can be quite small because synthetic line is very
strong
and this enables you to use a sail needle and incorporate it into the old
rope in such a way that it will stand very considerable force. Take a bit
of
trouble over this and save yourself a big hassle.
I have four halliards going to the top of my mast and like to take them
down
periodically and put them through the washing machine. Cleans them and
softens the rope which may have developed stiffness due to stress and
time.




Well, I used tape on my Sabre for just this situation. I put a couple of
stitches in it also to hold the two pieces together.

Nothing wrong with the messenger technique you mentioned either.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

* Charlie Morgan wrote, On 3/1/2007 2:45 PM:
....

You're the one adding all the extra steps, after Jeff told
him exactly what to do.


On many boats, you either have to cut off the splice/shackle end or
use a messenger wire from the other direction.

There can certainly be a variety of different setups. However, this
touches on an interesting question: Which is better, splicing on the
shackle, or tying it? My preference is for tying, using a stunsail
tackbend (buntline hitch) which will cinch down on the shackle and
hold it tight. The knot takes up little space, while a splice could
potentially get jammed in the sheave. Also, with a knot its easy to
"end for end" periodically.

* Edgar wrote, On 3/1/2007 3:36 PM:

What a lengthy argument about the simplest of jobs which I have done many
times!
You _must_ use a messenger line unless your boat is very small because it is
very hard to sew two fullsize ropes together with a strong joint that will
not bulge and jam in the sheave at the top. Also Jon's suggestion of tape is
a no-no because as the new halliard is hauled up there is every chance the
whole thing will come unstuck and you will lose the end and then you will
have to get yourself hauled up on the spinnaker halliard to reeve the new
one or drop a 'mouse' down (if the halliard runs inside the mast). My mast
is 50' high and by the time you have hauled 50' of rope up to the top the
weight on the join is quite substantial and the additional tug as the joint
goes over the sheave may prove to be the last straw.
The messenger line can be quite small because synthetic line is very strong
and this enables you to use a sail needle and incorporate it into the old
rope in such a way that it will stand very considerable force. Take a bit of
trouble over this and save yourself a big hassle.
I have four halliards going to the top of my mast and like to take them down
periodically and put them through the washing machine. Cleans them and
softens the rope which may have developed stiffness due to stress and time.

Each to his own on this. Although I've used messengers on occasion,
I've seen them jump off the sheave and get jammed. There is little
problem sewing the ends of two halyards together, it won't take any
additional diameter. A couple of turns of duct tape makes sure it
stays fair, but I admit I'm always concerned that it would come off at
an inconvenient spot.

I guess I'll have to present these questions to my friendly rigger to
find out what he does.