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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com"
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It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta
provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their
brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing
to the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant
event we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we
have a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the
air
are causing global changes.


It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down
tropical
rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM

That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming
discussion...


Actually, it isn't.

Only because you *want* it to be one and the same.

Max



I wish it weren't, but I'm living in the real world.


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Charlie Morgan wrote:

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com"
u25927@uwe wrote:



It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta
provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their
brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing
to the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant
event we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we
have a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into
the air
are causing global changes.


It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down
tropical
rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM

That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming
discussion...


Actually, it isn't.


Only because you *want* it to be one and the same.

Max
He sibscribes to the basic Augustinian belief that man is inherently
evil...so no matter what it is, man must be at the root of it....he has
raised mankind to sich omnipotence that it is untenable...and his
articulation of his cause is redundant...so there...I used the "a' word...


Huh? Humankind has the potential to do great things. Sounds like a very
pessimistic viewpoint you and Max have.


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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human
beings
are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests.

Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon.

Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their
gospel is
like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get
that
concession from the ultra-devout.


No. It's an article of faith in science. Rightwing nuts have no
interest in facts.

It's an article of faith in what you choose to believe. There is easily
as much science disputing the human-induced global warming theory as
that supporting it. The circumspect will wait until the dust settles a
bit before jumping on any particular bandwagon.

Max



Where do you get this? Absolutely not. It's not open to conjecture as
best as science can determine.

You need to be a bit more open-minded, Jon. It not only is open to
conjecture, there is some very strong scientific evidence that the warming
trend of the Earth is due to a normal, *natural* set of variables, and not
a function of humankind in any way. Personally I don't believe that to be
the case. I do believe that man has altered the rate of global warming to
some degree, but as to the extent of that alteration I'm as much in the
dark as anyone else. You, OTOH, believe the polar ice will all be melted
in another hundred years, mostly because you choose to believe only those
scientists who support that notion. You likewise choose to ignore those
scientists who hold the opposite viewpoint. That is a closed mind.

Max



Pot, kettel, black.

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:



Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human
beings
are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests.

Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon.

Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their
gospel is
like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get
that
concession from the ultra-devout.


Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and
power.
And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel.
Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their
chosen lifestyles.

Max

I already said that...



How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few
sacrifices for the greater good?


You've been reading Marx again...


No need. I've read him previously.

****ing Commie.


Anger management problems? Plonk.


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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:



Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human
beings
are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests.

Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon.

Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their
gospel is
like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get
that
concession from the ultra-devout.


Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and
power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel.
Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their
chosen lifestyles.

Max

I already said that...



How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few
sacrifices for the greater good?


You've been reading Marx again...

He's a socialist, Katy. I think he's got copies of Karl Marx's works in
his guest bathroom with a small sign taped on the wall above them:
"Please help yourself to a copy and read it thoroughly and repeatedly.
And believe."

Max



And, you're full of it if you really believe that. Anyone disagrees with
right-wing nuts is immediately labeled either a communist or anti-patriotic
or something like that. It's actually pretty pathetic.



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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:


Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human
beings
are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests.

Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon.

Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their
gospel is
like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get
that
concession from the ultra-devout.


Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and
power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel.
Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their
chosen lifestyles.

Max
I already said that...


How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few
sacrifices for the greater good?

Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent
upon your devotion and your donations.

Max



?? You need to get your head out of your ass and start thinking again. Or,
vote for Karl (Achtung) Rove's next pick.


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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 22:24:24 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:



Global environmental change for the worse is happening because human
beings
are so shortsighted as to ignore their own long-term best interests.

Thus endeth the reading of the gospel according to Jon.

Max, it's an article of faith with these folks. Challenging their
gospel is
like urging that the Bible is not divinely inspired--you'll never get
that
concession from the ultra-devout.


Those running the global warming show are in it for the money and
power. And they depend upon dupes like Jon to buy into their spiel.
Fortunately for them there are plenty like Jon around to fund their
chosen lifestyles.

Max

I already said that...


How am I "funding" my lifestyle by my willingness to make a few
sacrifices for the greater good?


Funding *their* lifestyle--that of the leaders of organizations dependent
upon your devotion and your donations.

Max
He thinks Hil and Bill live in a shack and drive a Yugo becasue of their
great altruism...


Guess you didn't hear Bill say that he didn't need yet another tax break. I
don't hear Cheney saying that.


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Charlie Morgan wrote:



On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com"
u25927@uwe wrote:





It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta
provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their
brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing
to the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant
event we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we
have a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into
the air
are causing global changes.


It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing
down tropical
rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM

That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming
discussion...



Actually, it isn't.


Actually, it is....



How so? We're polluting our environment by cutting down the forest and by
burning the vegatation. That produces greenhouse gasses, which
contributes to the global warming. In addition, the lack of trees reduces
the possible absorbtion of those very gasses.

Look it up if you're not too scared.


It contributes to weather change, mostly precipitation...and is the most
easily solvable environmental problem out there...and for the most part,
entirely out of our vontrol because you're not going to convince some 3rd
world country that makes money doing it to stop..unless you go in and kill
em all or something else equally drastic...we have made great strides in
reforestation here in the US especially in Washington and Oregon, which is
where out great rainforest ecists...



Hate to tell you, but several environ groups and several individuals are
doing just that.

Reforestation in the US is great... all for it, but the big problem is in
the 3rd world.

Killing them all is a right-wing solution. g


Nah...in that respect it would be a liberal response...only it wouldn't
be overt but some legislated "act of mercy"...

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Charlie Morgan wrote:

On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com"
u25927@uwe wrote:



It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta
provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their
brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing
to the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant
event we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we
have a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into the
air
are causing global changes.


It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down
tropical
rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM

That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming
discussion...


Actually, it isn't.

Only because you *want* it to be one and the same.

Max




I wish it weren't, but I'm living in the real world.


Luvung anywhere within a 500 mile radius of San Francisco is not luvung
in the real world...for that matter, mist of CA is not the real
world...now if you lived in Imaha or Dubuque or Minneapolis, then you
could claim to live in the real world...

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Charlie Morgan wrote:


On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:15:55 GMT, "scbafreak via BoatKB.com"
u25927@uwe wrote:




It's easy enough to say something stupid like that but ya gotta
provide some proof. Not everybody's had the logic circuits of their
brains short-circuited by LSD.... Not everybody
believes crap like you, Capt. JG the illegal drug using braggart.

Cheers,
Ellen

Nobody will ever be able to prove conclusively that what we ar edoing
to the
environment is causing climate changes and if there is a significant
event we
will never be able to prove conclusively that it was our fault but we
have a
lot of really good evidence that the pollutants we are putting into
the air
are causing global changes.


It's pretty easy to prove cause and effect as far as humans mowing down
tropical
rainforests causing changes in weather patterns. CWM

That's an entirely different discussion than the CO2 and global warming
discussion...


Actually, it isn't.


Only because you *want* it to be one and the same.

Max

He sibscribes to the basic Augustinian belief that man is inherently
evil...so no matter what it is, man must be at the root of it....he has
raised mankind to sich omnipotence that it is untenable...and his
articulation of his cause is redundant...so there...I used the "a' word...



Huh? Humankind has the potential to do great things. Sounds like a very
pessimistic viewpoint you and Max have.


Yes...humankind has done many great things...but humankind is not
omnipotent and once again you are referring to some science fiction world...