Ellen MacArthur wrote:
OzOne wrote
No surprises expected..when the light goes out..there is no more.
Enjoy it while you can.

Clueless, totally clueless..... And worse than that---totally illogical.
Think about this. What's better?

1) Believe in what it says in the Bible and die and go into oblivion never knowing
you were wrong.
2) Believe in what it says in the Bible and die and find out what it says is true
and reap the benefits.
3) Don't believe in what it says in the Bible and die and find you were wrong and
go to hell forever.

I choose number 2. If I'm wrong I've lost nothing. If I'm right I've gained everything.
Being a smug know-it-all just isn't worth the risk....

The only logical approach is ignore what everyone says and live a good
life. If there is a God and Heaven, that will surely be enough.

Maxprop wrote:
OzOne wrote in message ...

Hmmmm,
but just think of all the fun and fornication you miss out on while
you do No 2 and find out that ther is nothing there...

Based upon your interpretation of death, why have you adhered to a
Christian-like morality in the conduct of your life? You were a
cop--certainly you understand the ways and means of murder, and how to
eliminate those who offend you without getting caught. Why haven't you
eliminated those you've found disagreeable? And do you cheat regularly on
your wife? Do you rape and pillage if it pleases you?

If not, why not? It certainly can't be for fear of retribution in the
afterlife.

Max



Obviously Oz thinks for himself and tests his moral standards against a
real, external world. If you believe that morals come from God and are
absolute then you are applying no standard to judge if they are correct
or true. You simply accept them on faith. Since you are a doctor, where
do you draw your distinctions between science and religious dogma? Who
wrote the version of the Bible you cling to? Who were the religious
leaders that set the doctrine you have such faith in? How can you have
faith in the words and writings of middlemen in the business of
religion? Did God speak directly to them or to you? One does not need
religion or government to have a consistent set of morals in which all
live together in peace and harmony. If all the Muslims and Right wing
religious wackos were atheists instead the world would be a better place.

Popeye

"scbafreak via BoatKB.com" u25927@uwe wrote in message
news:6bcd9c0a73759@uwe...

Did you ever notice how the Brits always complain about the U.S. until
something comes along that they really need are help for. Like oh, say
WWI
and WWII. They are like that annoying little brother that crys and
complains
but when they need you they don't hesitate to ask.

What a complete ignoramus you seem to be.
You are probably too young to remember what happened.
In WW2 we never asked for anything except 'the tools to do the job' and
these the USA provided. We paid for them with all our reserves of gold and
foreign currency and after that was gone USA came up with 'lease/lend'.
Britain has been paying back for that ever since and it was only last week
that it was proudly announced over here that finally we had paid off
everything we owed on that account, amounting, with interest, to about twice
the original figure.
USA came into WW2 because of Pearl Harbour.
And where did you get that idea that Brits always complain about USA. Most
Brits feel closer to USA than the EU.

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

OzOne wrote
No surprises expected..when the light goes out..there is no more.
Enjoy it while you can.

Clueless, totally clueless..... And worse than that---totally
illogical.
Think about this. What's better?

1) Believe in what it says in the Bible and die and go into oblivion
never knowing
you were wrong.
2) Believe in what it says in the Bible and die and find out what it says
is true
and reap the benefits.
3) Don't believe in what it says in the Bible and die and find you were
wrong and
go to hell forever.

I choose number 2. If I'm wrong I've lost nothing. If I'm right I've
gained everything.
Being a smug know-it-all just isn't worth the risk....

Cheers,
Ellen

It is not for you to choose. Live a decent life and hope for the best at the
end of it.

"Edgar" wrote
It is not for you to choose. Live a decent life and hope for the best at the
end of it.

Wrong, Edgar! You should read the Bible. You have a clear choice. You can:
1) accept Jesus as your savior and have eternal life
2) reject Jesus as some kind of fairy tale and die
Living a decent life simply won't do it. Hoping for the best is nonsense. You don't
have to hope. Jesus says if you do X you get Y. X being believe his message. Y being
eternal life.

It's that simple.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ed,

Have you ever taken notice how when non-Americans put the "Let's knock
on the Americans" it all fun and games but when an American Knocks back,
it taken as a personal afront?

Stay loose Limey, we're only :"Funning Back."

I still remember; Over paid, over sexed and over here, with a smile.

You're right. We got into WW2 when the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor and we
sure fixed their Ass. We invaded Casa Blanca. Take that you slight-eyed
devils.

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

Wrong Nellen,

You should read the Bible & Biblical History. There are many error in
the Bible that was put together hundreds of years after Jesus' death.
There are other writings of other Apostles that are ignored.

Even your own Bible is a translation, which has many questions in many
statements.

Neal, I'll not question your faith, simply because I don't know. I do
know that your source has errors so I know you don't know.

Beware of False Doctrines!!

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

Thom Stewart wrote:

Beware of False Doctrines!!



Correct! The Lutherans have it right:

http://www.wels.net/cgi-bin/site.pl?...rt cutID=5297

Popeye

"Thom Stewart" wrote
You should read the Bible & Biblical History. There are many error in
the Bible that was put together hundreds of years after Jesus' death.
There are other writings of other Apostles that are ignored.

What you said's true about the errors. The Bible was put together over some
hundreds of years. Men did it, not God.
I read the *DaVinci Code* and then I read *Truth and Fiction in the DaVinci Code*.
It explains how the Bible was really written and all the lies in the DaVinci Code.
The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written some hundred and
fifty years after Jesus was crucified. Some historians say there are a couple of
missing Gospels that the four reference.
Some parts of the Bible conflict with others. But conflicts are few. Some are
to be expected considering the size of the thing.
What's amazing about the Gospels is how they're so similar. They pretty much tell
the same story about Jesus' life and death. And his teachings.
In order to have the gift of eternal life all you have to do is believe Jesus is God
and he died to forgive people's sins which people can never get rid of themselves no
matter how good a life they try to live. All you have to do is believe the Gospel message
of Jesus and accept his gift and say thank-you and you WILL have eternal life.
Now, it would've been pretty easy to believe Jesus if you'd been alive and
seen him. Seen him killed and then come back to life like lots of people saw him do.
It's hard to believe a story about that happening but there's nothing to lose believing
that story and everything to gain. Only an idiot would reject it.

Cheers,
Ellen

"Popeye" wrote in message

Obviously Oz thinks for himself and tests his moral standards against a
real, external world. If you believe that morals come from God and are
absolute then you are applying no standard to judge if they are correct or
true. You simply accept them on faith. Since you are a doctor, where do
you draw your distinctions between science and religious dogma? Who wrote
the version of the Bible you cling to? Who were the religious leaders that
set the doctrine you have such faith in? How can you have faith in the
words and writings of middlemen in the business of religion? Did God
speak directly to them or to you? One does not need religion or government
to have a consistent set of morals in which all live together in peace and
harmony. If all the Muslims and Right wing religious wackos were atheists
instead the world would be a better place.

That was a nice speech, Popeye, but completely irrelevant. You have no idea
about my beliefs w/r/t religion. I've never discussed them and don't intend
to do so. My point was only that the morality that you and Oz attribute to
'enlightenment' is the result of Judeo-Christian morality which was imposed
upon Europe and much of Asia. Take a look at the history of pre-Christian
Europe as evidence. Not much morality in evidence prior to the Christian
movements, unless you happen to believe that raping, pillaging, and homicide
are moral activities. Religion is not without value.

Max