On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:09:51 -0500, Ellen MacArthur wrote
(in article ews.net):


"Thom Stewart" wrote
You should read the Bible & Biblical History. There are many error in
the Bible that was put together hundreds of years after Jesus' death.
There are other writings of other Apostles that are ignored.

What you said's true about the errors. The Bible was put together over
some
hundreds of years. Men did it, not God.
I read the *DaVinci Code* and then I read *Truth and Fiction in the
DaVinci Code*.
It explains how the Bible was really written and all the lies in the DaVinci
Code.
The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written some hundred
and
fifty years after Jesus was crucified. Some historians say there are a couple

of
missing Gospels that the four reference.
Some parts of the Bible conflict with others. But conflicts are few.
Some are
to be expected considering the size of the thing.
What's amazing about the Gospels is how they're so similar. They pretty
much tell
the same story about Jesus' life and death. And his teachings.
In order to have the gift of eternal life all you have to do is believe
Jesus is God
and he died to forgive people's sins which people can never get rid of
themselves no
matter how good a life they try to live. All you have to do is believe the
Gospel message
of Jesus and accept his gift and say thank-you and you WILL have eternal
life.
Now, it would've been pretty easy to believe Jesus if you'd been alive
and
seen him. Seen him killed and then come back to life like lots of people saw
him do.
It's hard to believe a story about that happening but there's nothing to lose

believing
that story and everything to gain. Only an idiot would reject it.

Cheers,
Ellen



It is a great story book. Mostly it is whisper down the lane.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:26:08 -0500, Ellen MacArthur wrote
(in article ews.net):


"Edgar" wrote
It is not for you to choose. Live a decent life and hope for the best at the
end of it.

Wrong, Edgar! You should read the Bible. You have a clear choice. You
can:
1) accept Jesus as your savior and have eternal life
2) reject Jesus as some kind of fairy tale and die
Living a decent life simply won't do it. Hoping for the best is nonsense.

You don't
have to hope. Jesus says if you do X you get Y. X being believe his message.
Y being
eternal life.

It's that simple.

Cheers,
Ellen




First of all the bible is a collection of stories from different story
tellers. All of which have been translated, edited, and interpreted during
various periods of times by corrupt and motivated individuals who have molded
the text to meet their needs at the given time. Religion is only faith. Faith
is hope. I suggest you **** in one hand pray into the other. Let me know
which one fills up first.......

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

Maxprop wrote:
"Popeye" wrote in message


My point was only that the morality that you and Oz attribute to
'enlightenment' is the result of Judeo-Christian morality which was imposed
upon Europe and much of Asia. Take a look at the history of pre-Christian
Europe as evidence. Not much morality in evidence prior to the Christian
movements, unless you happen to believe that raping, pillaging, and homicide
are moral activities.

Max



Aristotle is pre-Christian isn't he?

http://www.iep.utm.edu/a/aris-eth.htm

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-responsibility/

But where does Christianity come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influen...n_Christianity

Did you catch the part of where the current concept of God as
omnipotent and all good came from?

If anything, the rise of Christianity led to the Dark Ages - a period of
raping, pillaging and homicide. It was the rise of secularism that led
to the Enlightenment.

Popeye

Ellen MacArthur wrote:
"Thom Stewart" wrote
You should read the Bible & Biblical History. There are many error in
the Bible that was put together hundreds of years after Jesus' death.
There are other writings of other Apostles that are ignored.

What you said's true about the errors. The Bible was put together over some
hundreds of years. Men did it, not God.
I read the *DaVinci Code* and then I read *Truth and Fiction in the DaVinci Code*.
It explains how the Bible was really written and all the lies in the DaVinci Code.
The Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written some hundred and
fifty years after Jesus was crucified. Some historians say there are a couple of
missing Gospels that the four reference.
Some parts of the Bible conflict with others. But conflicts are few. Some are
to be expected considering the size of the thing.
What's amazing about the Gospels is how they're so similar. They pretty much tell
the same story about Jesus' life and death. And his teachings.
In order to have the gift of eternal life all you have to do is believe Jesus is God
and he died to forgive people's sins which people can never get rid of themselves no
matter how good a life they try to live. All you have to do is believe the Gospel message
of Jesus and accept his gift and say thank-you and you WILL have eternal life.
Now, it would've been pretty easy to believe Jesus if you'd been alive and
seen him. Seen him killed and then come back to life like lots of people saw him do.
It's hard to believe a story about that happening but there's nothing to lose believing
that story and everything to gain. Only an idiot would reject it.

Cheers,
Ellen



If in the instant before Hussien neck got snapped he accepted Jesus into
his heart he would go to heaven?

If Hitler had accepted Jesus before the gasoline bath he would be in
heaven too?

All one has to do is believe and have faith and it doesn't matter if
they kill, rape or pillage?

Sounds too good to be true. I think those religious salesmen are
promising something they can't deliver. The salesmen are living pretty
good in the here and now aren't they?

Popeye

"Popeye" wrote

If in the instant before Hussien neck got snapped he accepted Jesus into his heart he would go to heaven?

Yes.

If Hitler had accepted Jesus before the gasoline bath he would be in heaven too?

Yes.

All one has to do is believe and have faith and it doesn't matter if they kill, rape or pillage?

Yes.

It's God's promise. God knows people are born sinners. He provided a way out for
people because he loves his creation. That way out of sin is through Jesus. Timing
doesn't matter to God. A second is the same as a bazillion years to God. He's out
of time. God knows people's bodies are inconsequential. Only the soul matters. The
soul is eternal. It can be eternal in hell or it can be eternal in heaven.
If bodies matter why would God allow his own body(Jesus) to be tortured and
killed? God made bodies out of the elements of the earth. It's just the way he
arranges those elements that makes people.

Cheers,
Ellen

"Mundo" wrote
First of all the bible is a collection of stories from different story
tellers. All of which have been translated, edited, and interpreted during
various periods of times by corrupt and motivated individuals who have molded
the text to meet their needs at the given time. Religion is only faith. Faith
is hope. I suggest you **** in one hand pray into the other. Let me know
which one fills up first.......


You're free to chose as you will. Choose wisely.... There are no second chances.

Cheers,
Ellen

On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:16:03 -0500, Ellen MacArthur wrote
(in article ews.net):


"Mundo" wrote
First of all the bible is a collection of stories from different story
tellers. All of which have been translated, edited, and interpreted during
various periods of times by corrupt and motivated individuals who have
molded
the text to meet their needs at the given time. Religion is only faith.
Faith
is hope. I suggest you **** in one hand pray into the other. Let me know
which one fills up first.......


You're free to chose as you will. Choose wisely.... There are no
second chances.

Cheers,
Ellen



It's not a choice. You either have faith or you don't. Like being Gay.

--
Mundo, The Captain who is a bully and an ass

"Mundo" wrote in message

It's not a choice. You either have faith or you don't. Like being Gay.

Uh oh. Now you've done it. You've trod upon one of the basic tenets of the
liberal, secular-progressive movement. Everyone "knows" that being gay is
genetic, not a choice. Right?

Max

"Popeye" wrote in message
...
Maxprop wrote:
"Popeye" wrote in message


My point was only that the morality that you and Oz attribute to
'enlightenment' is the result of Judeo-Christian morality which was
imposed upon Europe and much of Asia. Take a look at the history of
pre-Christian Europe as evidence. Not much morality in evidence prior to
the Christian movements, unless you happen to believe that raping,
pillaging, and homicide are moral activities.

Max

Aristotle is pre-Christian isn't he?

http://www.iep.utm.edu/a/aris-eth.htm

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-responsibility/

But where does Christianity come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influen...n_Christianity

Did you catch the part of where the current concept of God as omnipotent
and all good came from?

If anything, the rise of Christianity led to the Dark Ages - a period of
raping, pillaging and homicide. It was the rise of secularism that led to
the Enlightenment.

Revisionist history, Popeye. But why argue this point with you--your mind
is made up. Funny, however, that no one ever heard much about this point of
view until the so-called "religious right" rose to power and influence in
the USA. Politics and religion seem to be inseparable of late.

Max

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Popeye" wrote

If in the instant before Hussien neck got snapped he accepted Jesus into
his heart he would go to heaven?

Yes.

If Hitler had accepted Jesus before the gasoline bath he would be in
heaven too?

Yes.

All one has to do is believe and have faith and it doesn't matter if
they kill, rape or pillage?

Yes.