From your CFR that any Captain should have aboard his vessel

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§ 161.16 Applicability.
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Unless otherwise stated, the provisions of this subpart apply to the
following vessels and VMRS Users:

(a) Every power-driven vessel of 40 meters (approximately 131 feet) or
more in length, while navigating;

(b) Every towing vessel of 8 meters (approximately 26 feet) or more in
length, while navigating; or

(c) Every vessel certificated to carry 50 or more passengers for hire,
when engaged in trade.

[CGD 90-020, 59 FR 36324, July 15, 1994, as amended by
USCG-2003-14757, 68 FR 39366, July 1, 2003]
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When I sail in commerical shipping lanes I find the service provided by
the USCG VTS one of the best services the USCG provides us mariners.
It's great, you can jump in a channel anywhere and know about everyone
you will meet way beforehand, miles in advance and avoid getting in the
way of a ship or tug working. You will know of any concerns of any
vessel you will meet, and they will know your intentions.

Don't be shy just because you are on a private vessel, the service is
for all mariners big and small.

For Capt Jon:
http://www.uscg.mil/D11/vtssf/Traini...es33cfr161.htm

Remember .....a Capt'n licences is just a licences to learn.

Capt. Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
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From your CFR that any Captain should have aboard his vessel


So, what's your problem? My boat is 30 feet bow to stern. It must be
embarrasing for you when you realize that everyone can tell you don't
comprehend what you read.

Thanks for the link by the way, but I already had it.


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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
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From your CFR that any Captain should have aboard his vessel


So, what's your problem? My boat is 30 feet bow to stern.


It's not about your boat, it's about a commerical boat entering
commerical shipping lanes and not contacting traffic. You stated the
clown had no ideal you were there, and he had to back down to prevent a
possiable collision. I never said you have to check in, but the tug
does have to check in. Had you checked into traffic and asked about any
concerned traffic then the whole situation could have been ignored.

Hey you can get ****ed off as you want to, I'm just trying to provide
information that will help the next time, or help some lurker here. I'm
a big fan of VTS and know how it can prevent trips anc close calls like
you described.


It must be
embarrasing for you when you realize that everyone can tell you don't
comprehend what you read.

No what is embarrasing is a licenced Captain getting in a bind in a
commerical traffic lane, and calling boat parts what ever he fancy's to
call them. Had you acted like a proffesional mariner and contacted VTS
then all would have been aware of your intentions, and you would not
have been suprised.

Thanks for the link by the way, but I already had it.

Well the CFR says any tug over 26 ft has to check in with
traffic...same at VTS.
It does not matter weather he is working or not. You seemed not to be
clear on this point.

Joe


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"Joe" wrote
It does not matter weather he is working or not. You seemed not to be
clear on this point.

Why do you bother with that clown? He's stupid and dangerous. I've studied
the Colregs and I know more than he does. I'm studying them to know them. He just memorized
test question answers to pass a test. He has no understanding of how the rules apply out on the
water.

Cheers,
Ellen

"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
From your CFR that any Captain should have aboard his vessel


So, what's your problem? My boat is 30 feet bow to stern.


It's not about your boat, it's about a commerical boat entering
commerical shipping lanes and not contacting traffic. You stated the
clown had no ideal you were there, and he had to back down to prevent a
possiable collision. I never said you have to check in, but the tug
does have to check in. Had you checked into traffic and asked about any
concerned traffic then the whole situation could have been ignored.

Hey you can get ****ed off as you want to, I'm just trying to provide
information that will help the next time, or help some lurker here. I'm
a big fan of VTS and know how it can prevent trips anc close calls like
you described.


It must be
embarrasing for you when you realize that everyone can tell you don't
comprehend what you read.

No what is embarrasing is a licenced Captain getting in a bind in a
commerical traffic lane, and calling boat parts what ever he fancy's to
call them. Had you acted like a proffesional mariner and contacted VTS
then all would have been aware of your intentions, and you would not
have been suprised.

Thanks for the link by the way, but I already had it.

Well the CFR says any tug over 26 ft has to check in with
traffic...same at VTS.
It does not matter weather he is working or not. You seemed not to be
clear on this point.

Joe


Sorry if I appeared to be ****ed off... I thought you had misinterpreted
what I said.

So, what you're saying is that if the tug didn't contact Traffic, and I had,
they would have known he was there and could advise either of us? That
certainly doesn't make any sense. This was clearly the case of the tug not
doing the right thing. Why would I contact Traffic about my intentions since
I'm not on a tug?

Also, it's not my job nor my responsibility to know the names of all the
possible boat parts of vessels upon which I don't operate.

And, thanks for the clarification about the tug being required to contact
Traffic whether or not he's working. I didn't realize that, so you got me
there.

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...the service is for all mariners big and small.

Hey Joe... (hmmm... that was a title of a good Carl Smith song!)

Correct me if I'm wrong... and/or bring me up to speed.

I had heard somewhere that though this is a great system... still
not enough vessels are taking advantage of it... since it is not yet
a mandated application.

Tnx

Bill

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
From your CFR that any Captain should have aboard his vessel


So, what's your problem? My boat is 30 feet bow to stern.


It's not about your boat, it's about a commerical boat entering
commerical shipping lanes and not contacting traffic. You stated the
clown had no ideal you were there, and he had to back down to prevent a
possiable collision. I never said you have to check in, but the tug
does have to check in. Had you checked into traffic and asked about any
concerned traffic then the whole situation could have been ignored.

Hey you can get ****ed off as you want to, I'm just trying to provide
information that will help the next time, or help some lurker here. I'm
a big fan of VTS and know how it can prevent trips anc close calls like
you described.


It must be
embarrasing for you when you realize that everyone can tell you don't
comprehend what you read.

No what is embarrasing is a licenced Captain getting in a bind in a
commerical traffic lane, and calling boat parts what ever he fancy's to
call them. Had you acted like a proffesional mariner and contacted VTS
then all would have been aware of your intentions, and you would not
have been suprised.

Thanks for the link by the way, but I already had it.

Well the CFR says any tug over 26 ft has to check in with
traffic...same at VTS.
It does not matter weather he is working or not. You seemed not to be
clear on this point.

Joe


Sorry if I appeared to be ****ed off... I thought you had misinterpreted
what I said.

So, what you're saying is that if the tug didn't contact Traffic, and I had,
they would have known he was there and could advise either of us?

Yes. He may have contacted traffic hours earlier and stated he was
going to be working near the channel shifting barges ect, and traffic
would have made you aware. Also traffic has radar and cameras on the
shipping lanes now.

That
certainly doesn't make any sense. This was clearly the case of the tug not
doing the right thing. Why would I contact Traffic about my intentions since
I'm not on a tug?

So all ship and tugs know your intentions.

For example when outbound here heading to the gulf I tell traffic and
they teel all traffic im outbound staying on the edge of the channel
and my speed, they tell me about everyone I'm going to meet, who is
working the channel and where. Then when making key point in the lanes
I state it and ask for any concerned traffic in the area.



Also, it's not my job nor my responsibility to know the names of all the
possible boat parts of vessels upon which I don't operate.

Do you, or do you not have a towing endorsement?

And, thanks for the clarification about the tug being required to contact
Traffic whether or not he's working. I didn't realize that, so you got me
there.

Your welcome.

Joe

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www.sailnow.com

wrote in message
ups.com...
...the service is for all mariners big and small.

Hey Joe... (hmmm... that was a title of a good Carl Smith song!)

Correct me if I'm wrong... and/or bring me up to speed.

I had heard somewhere that though this is a great system... still
not enough vessels are taking advantage of it... since it is not yet
a mandated application.

Tnx

Bill



I think you're thinking of AIS... not required for small vessels at this
point, but the receivers are coming down in price. Transmitting units are
still pretty expensive.

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I think you're thinking of AIS...

Yep Jonathan... Your right that's the system I should
have been thinking of.

Obviously... got the two confused in my alleged mind. :-)

Thanks

Bill

"Joe" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
From your CFR that any Captain should have aboard his vessel


So, what's your problem? My boat is 30 feet bow to stern.


It's not about your boat, it's about a commerical boat entering
commerical shipping lanes and not contacting traffic. You stated the
clown had no ideal you were there, and he had to back down to prevent a
possiable collision. I never said you have to check in, but the tug
does have to check in. Had you checked into traffic and asked about any
concerned traffic then the whole situation could have been ignored.

Hey you can get ****ed off as you want to, I'm just trying to provide
information that will help the next time, or help some lurker here. I'm
a big fan of VTS and know how it can prevent trips anc close calls like
you described.


It must be
embarrasing for you when you realize that everyone can tell you don't
comprehend what you read.

No what is embarrasing is a licenced Captain getting in a bind in a
commerical traffic lane, and calling boat parts what ever he fancy's to
call them. Had you acted like a proffesional mariner and contacted VTS
then all would have been aware of your intentions, and you would not
have been suprised.

Thanks for the link by the way, but I already had it.

Well the CFR says any tug over 26 ft has to check in with
traffic...same at VTS.
It does not matter weather he is working or not. You seemed not to be
clear on this point.

Joe


Sorry if I appeared to be ****ed off... I thought you had misinterpreted
what I said.

So, what you're saying is that if the tug didn't contact Traffic, and I
had,
they would have known he was there and could advise either of us?

Yes. He may have contacted traffic hours earlier and stated he was
going to be working near the channel shifting barges ect, and traffic
would have made you aware. Also traffic has radar and cameras on the
shipping lanes now.

That
certainly doesn't make any sense. This was clearly the case of the tug
not
doing the right thing. Why would I contact Traffic about my intentions
since
I'm not on a tug?

So all ship and tugs know your intentions.

For example when outbound here heading to the gulf I tell traffic and
they teel all traffic im outbound staying on the edge of the channel
and my speed, they tell me about everyone I'm going to meet, who is
working the channel and where. Then when making key point in the lanes
I state it and ask for any concerned traffic in the area.



Also, it's not my job nor my responsibility to know the names of all the
possible boat parts of vessels upon which I don't operate.

Do you, or do you not have a towing endorsement?

And, thanks for the clarification about the tug being required to contact
Traffic whether or not he's working. I didn't realize that, so you got me
there.

Your welcome.


Thanks for the clarifications. My understanding is that for Traffic to
really know what's going on the tug would have had to tell them something
like "Something Vessel leaving berth whatever, proceeding blah, blah,"
rather than just telling them what they might do at some point.

I have an assistance towing endorsement. So, if you get stuck, give me a
call and I'll let Traffic know I'm on the way to Texas. :-)

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