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Jon,

I wonder if your selective memory can recall the Iraq-Iran war, the
Kuwait invasion, the American hostages in Iran, the Russian-afghanistan
war, the Taliban, the Suez Canal War, Israeli- Palestine problem,
Lebanon-Israeli problem, Syria-Lebanese problem, India-Afghanistan
dispute.

The Middle East was is Chaos. I would say the Mid-East life style has
been a true Chaos History long before Our involvement, all before George
2nd. Even before George 1st.

The USS Cole was a Clinton problem, Hostages a Jimmy Carter problem,
Suez war Eisenhower, Israeli-Palestine problem UN, Truman problem

I'm not a Bush backer but I'll not blame the Middle East Chaos on him.
In fact it may be better. Not for us maybe but in general terms better.
We've done away with the two no fly zones, tank truck smuggling of fuel
oil, even a Demo. Gov.;for what it's worth, better than the Dictatorship
that caused 3 Mid-East wars. Syria is out of Lebanon



So, we made it better or worse by invading Iraq? You tell me. Our
credibility is zero, when at one point we were seen as a somewhat honest
broker.

If you disagree with me, there's no need to attempt, feebly, to insult me.
It seems to me that you're memory is pretty selective too.

None of the items you site has ANYTHING to do with our immoral and
unwarranted invasion of Iraq. Bush LIED to the American people, and now our
troops and innocent Iraqis are paying the price.

Bush made the situation far, far worse. We've done away with nothing.
Missions are being flown every day, instead of smuggling oil, they're
smuggling terrorists across the border, and the "democracy" we created is
unwilling or unable (according to Bushco's own memo) to deal with the racial
violence. We had contained Saddam, and he would have fallen shortly. In
fact, if Bush Sr. had lived up to his word, Saddam probably would have been
gone already, and the Shiias who now hate us would have liked us for helping
them.

Syria is out of Lebanon and Hamas (their proxy) is creating a civil war
there.



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So, we made it better or worse by invading Iraq? You tell me. Our
credibility is zero, when at one point we were seen as a somewhat honest
broker.

If you disagree with me, there's no need to attempt, feebly, to insult me.
It seems to me that you're memory is pretty selective too.

None of the items you site has ANYTHING to do with our immoral and
unwarranted invasion of Iraq. Bush LIED to the American people, and now
our troops and innocent Iraqis are paying the price.

Bush made the situation far, far worse. We've done away with nothing.
Missions are being flown every day, instead of smuggling oil, they're
smuggling terrorists across the border, and the "democracy" we created is
unwilling or unable (according to Bushco's own memo) to deal with the
racial violence. We had contained Saddam, and he would have fallen
shortly. In fact, if Bush Sr. had lived up to his word, Saddam probably
would have been gone already, and the Shiias who now hate us would have
liked us for helping them.

Syria is out of Lebanon and Hamas (their proxy) is creating a civil war
there.



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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
news

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.



And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.


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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
news

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.



And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.


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We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.

We invaded Iraq and toppled its government. Now the terrorists are invading
and attacking.

We nuked Japan and they went on to make great cameras, plywood and cars.

Let's get the ball rolling on muslimia! I suspect they will master long
curved swords, towels and franchised gas stations.

Gilligan wrote:
Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.

And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.

We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.


Actually a dozen sugar growers, with the help of a rogue minister and
a handful of marines, staged a coup and imprisoned the Queen. When
the Democratic President found out he fired the minister, apologized
to the Queen, and reported to Congress: "By an act of war, committed
with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the United
States and without authority of Congress, the government of a feeble
but friendly and confiding people has been overthrown. A substantial
wrong has thus been done, which a due regard for our national
character, as well as the rights of the injured people, requires we
should endeavor to repair."

President Cleveland refused to approve the annexation, but his
Republican successor, McKinley did.


Then the Japs attacked.

"Gilligan" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
news

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
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We were in the same boat during WWII with the invasion of Japan. Nukes
solved that problem.



Huh? We were attacked by Japan. We were not attacked by Iraq.

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Hawaii was not a state then. It was a conquered territory.



And, we were attacked. Iraq didn't attack a country outside its borders.


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We invaded Hawaii and toppled its government. Then the Japs attacked.

We invaded Iraq and toppled its government. Now the terrorists are
invading and attacking.

We nuked Japan and they went on to make great cameras, plywood and cars.

Let's get the ball rolling on muslimia! I suspect they will master long
curved swords, towels and franchised gas stations.



Clearly, you know very little about history or argument supported by facts.


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Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Jon,

Japan attack us and we invaded Casa Blanca. They didn't attack us. They
weren't even in the Pacific Theatre.

I wasn't to upset at the time



You had something against Casa Blanca?

In any case, please tell us what Iraq had to do with islamic fundamentalist
terrorists before we invaded.

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