whipping or dipping?
 

I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

whipping or dipping?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly,
and they're a beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my
fender lines recently, I dipped the ends instead of taking
the time to whip them. So far, it seems just fine, the only
difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)


You _know_ the right thing to do.

I was on a lovely boat years ago, he'd whipped. parceled,
and served most everything in sight. There were little tiny
puddings on the shrouds where the sheets would have chafed.
Very tidy yacht.

Seahag

whipping or dipping?
 

"Capt. JG" wrote...

I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly,
and they're a beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my
fender lines recently, I dipped the ends instead of taking
the time to whip them. So far, it seems just fine, the only
difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)


You're asking *us*?


Seahag wrote:
You _know_ the right thing to do.


Dang skippy.
Takes time though.


I was on a lovely boat years ago, he'd whipped. parceled,
and served most everything in sight. There were little tiny
puddings on the shrouds where the sheets would have chafed.
Very tidy yacht.


It takes time & practice. I haven't done any rope work in a
few years now, though at one time we had quite a lot of
fancy stuff around. It seems a bit affected on a trawler. On
the Lightning there was no end of opportunity for fancy
little splices and wall & crowns. We had the only Matthew
Walker'ed spinnaker sheet twings in the fleet.

Can squirty cheese be used instead of pudding?

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..


Can squirty cheese be used instead of pudding?


I tried that, works well except I ended up eating them off
the rope,er line..

Scotty

whipping or dipping?
 

"DSK" wrote :
"Capt. JG" wrote...

I have several lines on my boat that were whipped
properly, and they're a beautiful sight. However, when I
replaced my fender lines recently, I dipped the ends
instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems
just fine, the only difference seeming to be the
asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)


You're asking *us*?


Seahag wrote:
You _know_ the right thing to do.


Dang skippy.
Takes time though.


I was on a lovely boat years ago, he'd whipped. parceled,
and served most everything in sight. There were little
tiny puddings on the shrouds where the sheets would have
chafed. Very tidy yacht.


It takes time & practice. I haven't done any rope work in
a few years now, though at one time we had quite a lot of
fancy stuff around. It seems a bit affected on a trawler.
On the Lightning there was no end of opportunity for fancy
little splices and wall & crowns. We had the only Matthew
Walker'ed spinnaker sheet twings in the fleet.

Can squirty cheese be used instead of pudding?

Temporarily...until Scotty visits.

Seahag

whipping or dipping?
 

Capt. JG wrote:
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

Whipping by far, but I'd rather have a back splice myself, unless you
need to pull the lines bitter end thru a block.

Joe



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

whipping or dipping?
 

"Seahag" wrote
| There were little tiny
| puddings on the shrouds where the sheets would have chafed.


Chocolate or Vanilla????

Cheers,
Ellen

whipping or dipping?
 

I simply melt the ends with a blow torch and fashion them into a bit of a
taper so they fit through the hardware easily. Much more functional than
whipping or dipping.




"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I
dipped the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems
just fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

whipping or dipping?
 

It does not take long to whip the ends. If you cut a synthetic rope with a
hot knife it is a simple matter to flange the end out a bit so even a common
whipping, put on in seconds, will not be able to slip off the end.
I do this but also leave the ends long and then with a needle, following the
lay, put three bands across the whipping. This looks like a sailmakers
whipping but takes much less time. When you have finished just put the ends
through a couple of times and cut off flush. Looks good and I have never had
the ends unravel.
You owe it to your boat to do the job properly.
Just dipping is lazy.

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I
dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or


http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:12:04 -0800, "Capt. JG" said:

However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

I have to dissent from the prevailing wisdom you seem to be getting. If it
works, I see no reason whatever not to go with the easier alternative.

Agree.

The lines on my boat are whipped, but that's only because I didn't have any
of the "gook" required for dipping around when the time came to tidy up the
ends.

As to Joe's back splicing, it's an abomination.

A back splice leaves a lump at the end of the line that is neither fat
enough to make a decent stopper, nor thin enough to run through the
block. Plus, it doesn't play nicely with double-braided lines. I
learned to back-splice in scouts way back when, but I've never found it
useful in practice.

For small stuff, I just melt the ends. And since it's all small stuff
on my boat, no whipping or dipping, just melt the end or cut it with a
hot knife. For high-tech cores that don't melt (e.g. technora), pull
the cover back, cut off half an inch of core, pull the cover back over
the core and melt just the cover.

//Walt

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:


As to Joe's back splicing, it's an abomination.

Coming from a guy missing "goop" and being forced to do it correctly...
I'm not to suprised you miss the benefits and superiority of back
splicing as opposed to whipping or dipping.

Joe

whipping or dipping?
 

Well, I liked the simplicity of the squirty cheeze approach, but I like the
looks of whipping more. I think for fender lines I don't care that much, but
for other lines I do.

Melting the ends doesn't really do it. Seems to make things ugly and
difficult to do it right. Also, I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
have to.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
"Capt. JG" wrote...

I have several lines on my boat that were whipped properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I
dipped the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far, it seems
just fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...key=SiteSearch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)


You're asking *us*?


Seahag wrote:
You _know_ the right thing to do.


Dang skippy.
Takes time though.


I was on a lovely boat years ago, he'd whipped. parceled, and served most
everything in sight. There were little tiny puddings on the shrouds
where the sheets would have chafed. Very tidy yacht.


It takes time & practice. I haven't done any rope work in a few years now,
though at one time we had quite a lot of fancy stuff around. It seems a
bit affected on a trawler. On the Lightning there was no end of
opportunity for fancy little splices and wall & crowns. We had the only
Matthew Walker'ed spinnaker sheet twings in the fleet.

Can squirty cheese be used instead of pudding?

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

Joe wrote:
....
I'm not to suprised you miss the benefits and superiority of back
splicing as opposed to whipping or dipping.


I'm surprised you have anything less that STEEL rope on your
boat, Joe. Does back splicing prevent rust?

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

Capt. JG wrote:
Well, I liked the simplicity of the squirty cheeze approach, but I like the
looks of whipping more. I think for fender lines I don't care that much, but
for other lines I do.


If you leave your fenders hanging overside while sailing, so
everybody can see them, you'd care more what they look like. ;)


Melting the ends doesn't really do it. Seems to make things ugly and
difficult to do it right. Also, I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
have to.


Do you have anything against the wheel, or other advanced
technologies??

Melting the ends doesn't get it for me, either. Some kinds
of modern rope will not melt. And it is difficult to get the
core melted in a way to bond with the cover, which results
in fraying in fairly short order.

The plastic goop has somewhat the same problem, it's better
if you can work it into the strands well. However one sure
cure for fraying rope ends is thinned epoxy resin... 'Cap'n
Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure' works very well (it's about
the only thing this stuff is good for). You have to give it
a few hours to set but it's less work than a proper whipping.

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Well, I liked the simplicity of the squirty cheeze approach, but I like
the looks of whipping more. I think for fender lines I don't care that
much, but for other lines I do.


If you leave your fenders hanging overside while sailing, so everybody can
see them, you'd care more what they look like. ;)

I think they'll be distracted by the lousy state of the fenders, which also
need something, probably replacement.

Melting the ends doesn't really do it. Seems to make things ugly and
difficult to do it right. Also, I don't like using fire on a boat if I
don't have to.


Do you have anything against the wheel, or other advanced technologies??

What's a wheel? Stone knives and bear skins are the only acceptable
technology on a sailboat. :-)

Melting the ends doesn't get it for me, either. Some kinds of modern rope
will not melt. And it is difficult to get the core melted in a way to bond
with the cover, which results in fraying in fairly short order.

The plastic goop has somewhat the same problem, it's better if you can
work it into the strands well. However one sure cure for fraying rope ends
is thinned epoxy resin... 'Cap'n Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure' works very
well (it's about the only thing this stuff is good for). You have to give
it a few hours to set but it's less work than a proper whipping.

Interesting... I'll try the Creeping Crack Cure stuff. I have a small bottle
of it. I did find it useful to find a gap in some bedding near a chainplate.
I rebedded, so I'm not relying on it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006 08:28:48 -0800, "Joe" said:

Coming from a guy missing "goop" and being forced to do it correctly...

No such thing as "correctly." It's whatever works for you. But to me at
least, the solution the BMCs used to refer to as a "dog's dick" is not the
"correct" solution.

OK Dave. But..... it's a donkey's Dick not a" dogs dick".
Geeeeeze...ya lazy line dipper.

Joe

Line whipping machine was whipping or dipping?
 

I think the most high tech approach would be a line whipping machine. You
load the whipping thread into the machine, push the end of the line into the
machine, press a button, and the line is professionally whipped.

Anyone hear of something like this?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dave wrote:


As to Joe's back splicing, it's an abomination.

Coming from a guy missing "goop" and being forced to do it correctly...
I'm not to suprised you miss the benefits and superiority of back
splicing as opposed to whipping or dipping.

Joe

whipping or dipping?
 

"DSK" wrote
| I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
| have to.

What do you think makes your pistons go up and down inside your motor?

Cheers,
Ellen

whipping or dipping?
 

Jon,

There is nothng wrong with dipping, there is nothing wrong with whipping
on a dipped end either.

I use to burn the cut off ends and then whip them when thing got quite.
Nothing as relaxing while drinking a cup of coffee while being becalmed
than whipping burnt ends of line.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

whipping or dipping?
 

Joe,

I don't think I've ever seen a back splice in a woven line? How is it
done?


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

whipping or dipping?
 

"Dave" wrote:
"Capt. JG" said:

However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I
dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far,
it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

I have to dissent from the prevailing wisdom you seem to
be getting. If it
works, I see no reason whatever not to go with the easier
alternative.

The lines on my boat are whipped, but that's only because
I didn't have any
of the "gook" required for dipping around when the time
came to tidy up the
ends.

As to Joe's back splicing, it's an abomination.

Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed between
two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.

Seahag

whipping or dipping?
 

Seahag wrote:
"Dave" wrote:
"Capt. JG" said:

However, when I replaced my fender lines recently, I
dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far,
it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

I have to dissent from the prevailing wisdom you seem to
be getting. If it
works, I see no reason whatever not to go with the easier
alternative.

The lines on my boat are whipped, but that's only because
I didn't have any
of the "gook" required for dipping around when the time
came to tidy up the
ends.

As to Joe's back splicing, it's an abomination.

Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed between
two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.

Well good thing the eye did not get hung up ya might of lost a leg.

I myself like a stop on the end of a line, makes it easy to find in a
coil, wears better and give a nice handle on the end if needed in a
heave.

All my dock lines have back splices on one end and eyes spliced in the
other, all my sheets have back splices.

Joe


Seahag

whipping or dipping?
 

The hot melted ends are good for cleaning out one's ears. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:50:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

Melting the ends doesn't really do it. Seems to make things ugly and
difficult to do it right. Also, I don't like using fire on a boat if I
don't
have to.

In addition, even with a hot knife cut, the melted material may form a
sharp
point at the end of the line that can cut under some circumstances.

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:50:52 -0800, "Capt. JG" said:

Melting the ends doesn't really do it. Seems to make things ugly and
difficult to do it right. Also, I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
have to.

In addition, even with a hot knife cut, the melted material may form a sharp
point at the end of the line that can cut under some circumstances.

If you don't form the melted end correctly, it'll be the wrong shape. Of
cours, there are many things that turn out badly when done incorrectly.
This is a fine example.

I like to form the end while it's still hot using a piece of cardboard.

//Walt

whipping or dipping?
 

I like that... I'll have to give it a shot. Whip then dip... the best of
both worlds.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Jon,

There is nothng wrong with dipping, there is nothing wrong with whipping
on a dipped end either.

I use to burn the cut off ends and then whip them when thing got quite.
Nothing as relaxing while drinking a cup of coffee while being becalmed
than whipping burnt ends of line.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

whipping or dipping?
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Joe,

I don't think I've ever seen a back splice in a woven line? How is it
done?


Same as chinese handcuffs, yet you back the core. Same way you do an
eye in braid yet remove the eye.

That's yacht rope anyway, i figured real sailors use 3 strand rope.

Joe

http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

whipping or dipping?
 

"Walt" wrote in message
...
Dave wrote:

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:50:52 -0800, "Capt. JG"
said:

Melting the ends doesn't really do it. Seems to make things ugly and
difficult to do it right. Also, I don't like using fire on a boat if I
don't have to.

In addition, even with a hot knife cut, the melted material may form a
sharp
point at the end of the line that can cut under some circumstances.

If you don't form the melted end correctly, it'll be the wrong shape. Of
cours, there are many things that turn out badly when done incorrectly.
This is a fine example.

I like to form the end while it's still hot using a piece of cardboard.

//Walt

A heated putty knife works well or the flame deflector on a propane torch.
Electric stove coils work fine too. Real men can simply form the molten
nylon with their bare fingers, as long as they don't get any in the hair on
their chest.

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006 09:34:24 -0800, "Joe" said:

OK Dave. But..... it's a donkey's Dick not a" dogs dick".
Geeeeeze...ya lazy line dipper.

Guess it depends on the size of the line, and what ship you were on.

I call BULL****. Give one refference of a sailor calling anything a
"dogs dick".

I have a donkeys dick on my bell, it's red white and blue poly pro.

Unless your sailing on the Rin Tin Tin the proper nautical term is
Donkeys dick.

Joe

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:
As to Joe's back splicing, it's an abomination.

Thou unclean rope-end, get thee behind me!

Maybe that's why it's called a back splice?

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

Walt wrote:
.... For high-tech cores that don't melt (e.g. technora), pull
the cover back, cut off half an inch of core, pull the cover back over
the core and melt just the cover.


Deen there, done that, the core creeps back & forth and
makes the line not run well.

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

Walt wrote:
.... Of
cours, there are many things that turn out badly when done incorrectly.

AArrrgh! Say it ain't so!

I was *promised* that everything I ever wanted to do would
be "no skill required"!

DSK

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006 11:49:56 -0800, "Joe" said:

Guess it depends on the size of the line, and what ship you were on.

I call BULL****. Give one refference of a sailor calling anything a
"dogs dick".

Can't speak of what a sailor might call it, but I've heard the term myself
from more than one Chief Bos'n's Mate when I was Deck Officer on a Navy
vessel.

Well you may have been a deck officer on a Navy vessel but I was a
Boswain's Mate. I rang the bell a 1000 times and made several Donkey
dicks for a many clappers.

You must be confusing terms Dave. The only thing on the ship " K9" was
the soft ice cream machine...it was known as the dog.

Joe

whipping or dipping?
 

Dave wrote:
On 27 Nov 2006 13:11:17 -0800, "Joe" said:

Well you may have been a deck officer on a Navy vessel but I was a
Boswain's Mate. I rang the bell a 1000 times and made several Donkey
dicks for a many clappers.

That makes you an expert on the vessel(s) you were on. It does not make you
an expert beyond the vessel(s) you were on.

As I said before, it may depend on the vessel you were on. Were you ever on
anything in the submarine Navy?

Been aboard many fast attacks(rigging work), no boomers.

Joe

whipping or dipping?
 

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

whipping or dipping?
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed
between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)

If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an eyeball
from behind!

Seahag

whipping or dipping?
 

Yeah Joe,
Real sailors use three strand HEMP! Joe it's time to come into this
century.


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT

whipping or dipping?
 

"Edgar" wrote in message
...
It does not take long to whip the ends. If you cut a
synthetic rope with a
hot knife it is a simple matter to flange the end out a
bit so even a common
whipping, put on in seconds, will not be able to slip off
the end.


If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need the
whipping?

Scotty

whipping or dipping?
 

"Seahag" wrote
| If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an eyeball
| from behind!

?-)

Cheers,
Ellen

whipping or dipping?
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...

"DSK" wrote
| I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
| have to.

What do you think makes your pistons go up and down
inside your motor?


compression & combustion

whipping or dipping?
 

I use duck tape.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped
properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines
recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far,
it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or


http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...rvlet/SiteSear
chView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial& keyword=wh
ipping&Ntt=whipping&N=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=All_2&dd key=SiteSe
arch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com