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Capt. JG November 27th 06 11:55 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Coffee

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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
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"DSK" wrote
| I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
| have to.

What do you think makes your pistons go up and down

inside your motor?


compression & combustion





Capt. JG November 27th 06 11:57 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Ok, this is either TMI or I have no idea what you're talking about. :-)

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"Seahag" wrote in message
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"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)


If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an eyeball from behind!

Seahag





Capt. JG November 27th 06 11:57 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Does it quack?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I use duck tape.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped

properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines

recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far,

it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or


http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...rvlet/SiteSear
chView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial& keyword=wh
ipping&Ntt=whipping&N=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=All_2&dd key=SiteSe
arch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

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Ellen MacArthur November 28th 06 12:06 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Scotty" wrote
| compression & combustion


In other words, fire...... Most people think gasoline and diesel fuel *explodes* on top of the piston
inside the cylinder inside the motor but it *burns*. If it explodes you get that knocking sound. I learned
all about it from this book. http://www.amazon.com/Auto-Repair-Du.../dp/0764550896

Cheers,
Ellen

Maxprop November 28th 06 02:08 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..

Dang skippy.


Dang skippy???

Is this some arcane form of Carolina-speak?

Max



Maxprop November 28th 06 02:10 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"DSK" wrote
| I don't like using fire on a boat if I don't
| have to.

What do you think makes your pistons go up and down inside your motor?


Perhaps Doug has converted to nuclear-generated steam.

Max



Maxprop November 28th 06 02:12 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in message
reenews.net...

"Scotty" wrote
| compression & combustion


In other words, fire...... Most people think gasoline and diesel fuel
*explodes* on top of the piston
inside the cylinder inside the motor but it *burns*.


An explosion is nothing more than an extremely rapid burn.

Max



Joe November 28th 06 02:13 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

Maxprop wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..

Dang skippy.


Dang skippy???

Is this some arcane form of Carolina-speak?


It's down right de-grading ......not southern at all.
I think it's valley girl talk.

Joe



Max



Maxprop November 28th 06 02:13 AM

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
The hot melted ends are good for cleaning out one's ears. :-)


I personally recommend the pointy end of a scratch awl for that, Jon.

Max



Capt. JG November 28th 06 02:14 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
Does it fly or waddle?

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:57:54 -0800, "Capt. JG"
scribbled thusly:

Does it quack?


Only when you feed it.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.




Capt. JG November 28th 06 02:14 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
In any case, they must be in a row.

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OzOne wrote in message ...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:50:02 -0500, "Scotty"
scribbled thusly:

I use duck tape.

Scotty


How many ducks?


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,
We've been expecting you.




Joe November 28th 06 02:21 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

Thom Stewart wrote:
Yeah Joe,
Real sailors use three strand HEMP! Joe it's time to come into this
century.


Hemp is tried and true..but I use nylon for sheets, cept the 100% jib
sheet it's big high tech, and the halyards they are stainless. I'm not
racing and like a bit of forgiveness. Nylons cheap and a pleasure to
work with.

Joe


http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ILLDRINKTOTHAT



Ellen MacArthur November 28th 06 02:58 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Maxprop" wrote
| An explosion is nothing more than an extremely rapid burn.

Not quite right (I think). Here's how I understand it. A burn starts at one end
of the cylinder near the spark plug and goes down towards the top of the piston.
It expands evenly and pushes the piston down. An explosion starts somewhere in
the middle of the fuel/air and pushes outwards really fast in all directions. It
wastes energy and is too fast so it knocks against the piston and sometimes can
even blow off a head gasket. An explosion isn't really a burn.

Cheers,
Ellen

Capt. JG November 28th 06 04:58 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
It doesn't have the flexibility to get around the corners..

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"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
The hot melted ends are good for cleaning out one's ears. :-)


I personally recommend the pointy end of a scratch awl for that, Jon.

Max




DSK November 28th 06 11:59 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
"Maxprop" wrote
| An explosion is nothing more than an extremely rapid burn.


Ellen MacArthur wrote:
Not quite right (I think).


Yes, it is right.

Here's how I understand it. A burn starts at one end
of the cylinder near the spark plug and goes down towards the top of the piston.
It expands evenly and pushes the piston down. An explosion starts somewhere in
the middle of the fuel/air and pushes outwards really fast in all directions.


Why would an explosion start in a different place? It
originates at the spark plug, doesn't it?

It
wastes energy and is too fast so it knocks against the piston and sometimes can
even blow off a head gasket.


Yes, that's also right.

An explosion isn't really a burn.


Yes it is. Both in the context of internal combustion, and
other circumstances. Dynamite, for example, is a highly
combustible substance that burns very very rapidly.

DSK



Martin Baxter November 28th 06 01:22 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Joe wrote:

Thom Stewart wrote:
Yeah Joe,
Real sailors use three strand HEMP! Joe it's time to come into this
century.


Hemp is tried and true..but I use nylon for sheets, cept the 100% jib
sheet it's big high tech, and the halyards they are stainless. I'm not
racing and like a bit of forgiveness. Nylons cheap and a pleasure to
work with.


Nylon for sheets? You must be mistaken, Dacron maybe but surely not
stretchy nylon.

Cheers
Marty
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Scotty November 28th 06 01:26 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
If it does, I simply put more duck tape over the quacks.

Scotty

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Does it quack?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I use duck tape.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped

properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender

lines
recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So

far,
it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or



http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...rvlet/SiteSear

chView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial& keyword=wh

ipping&Ntt=whipping&N=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=All_2&dd key=SiteSe
arch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com










Scotty November 28th 06 01:27 PM

whipping or dipping?
 

OzOne wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:50:02 -0500, "Scotty"


scribbled thusly:

I use duck tape.

Scotty


How many ducks?


Brazillions! And they're all in a row.

SBV



Scotty November 28th 06 01:30 PM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...

"Maxprop" wrote
| An explosion is nothing more than an extremely rapid

burn.

Not quite right (I think). Here's how I understand it.

A burn starts at one end
of the cylinder near the spark plug and goes down towards

the top of the piston.


In a diesel?



Martin Baxter November 28th 06 02:12 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Scotty wrote:

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote in
message
reenews.ne
t...

"Maxprop" wrote
| An explosion is nothing more than an extremely rapid

burn.

Not quite right (I think). Here's how I understand it.

A burn starts at one end
of the cylinder near the spark plug and goes down towards

the top of the piston.

In a diesel?


Yes

Cheers
Marty

Ellen MacArthur November 28th 06 03:30 PM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote
| In a diesel?
|
| Yes

Even I know diesels don't have spark plugs. But diesels squash the air so hard
it gets hot. It gets so hot the diesel fuel that's squirted in from the injector catches
on fire and burns. It doesn't really explode. It just burns faster than gasoline. It only
burns along the sides towards the middle because there's no air in the middle of the
fuel. That's why diesels make that rattling noise.

Cheers,
Ellen

Ellen MacArthur November 28th 06 03:31 PM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote
| Nylon for sheets? You must be mistaken, Dacron maybe but surely not
| stretchy nylon.

Egyptian Cotton makes the best sheets. :-)

Cheers,
Ellen

Capt. JG November 28th 06 03:40 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Wouldn't that be anti-duck tape or a shotgun?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
If it does, I simply put more duck tape over the quacks.

Scotty

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Does it quack?

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"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I use duck tape.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped
properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender

lines
recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So

far,
it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or



http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...rvlet/SiteSear

chView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial& keyword=wh

ipping&Ntt=whipping&N=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=All_2&dd key=SiteSe
arch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com












Walt November 28th 06 04:07 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:


Hemp is tried and true..but I use nylon for sheets, cept the 100% jib
sheet it's big high tech, and the halyards they are stainless. I'm not
racing and like a bit of forgiveness. Nylons cheap and a pleasure to
work with.


Nylon for sheets? You must be mistaken, Dacron maybe but surely not
stretchy nylon.


Nylon sheets? Yee gad. Joe is as ignorant about sailing as he is about
politics.

Ok folks, let's take it from the beginning:

Sheets, halyards, control lines: Stretch BAD!

Docklines, towlines: Stretch GOOD!


Don't use stretchy nylon for sheets, and don't use low stretch
polyester/dacron for docklines. The high-tech ultra low stretch cordage
(e.g. technora, dynema, et al) is a bit better than polyester in some
situations, expensive unnecessary overkill in others.

//Walt

Martin Baxter November 28th 06 04:13 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

"Martin Baxter" ? wrote
| ? In a diesel?
|
| Yes

Even I know diesels don't have spark plugs. But diesels squash the air so hard
it gets hot. It gets so hot the diesel fuel that's squirted in from the injector catches
on fire and burns. It doesn't really explode. It just burns faster than gasoline. It only
burns along the sides towards the middle because there's no air in the middle of the
fuel. That's why diesels make that rattling noise.


As usual, you have an inkling, but manage to screw it up. google some
more, or have a look at:

http://www.diesel-central.com/News/cackle.htm

Cheers
Marty
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Martin Baxter November 28th 06 04:15 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Ellen MacArthur wrote:

"Martin Baxter" ? wrote
| Nylon for sheets? You must be mistaken, Dacron maybe but surely not
| stretchy nylon.

Egyptian Cotton makes the best sheets. :-)


Deepends somewhat on whether one wants to sleep or engage in some other
activity. ;-o

In Canada we like flannel about 9 months of the year, or deer pelts.

Cheers
Marty

Edgar November 28th 06 04:33 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Just to make it look shipshape. Force of habit too-there were no synthetic
ropes when I learned to splice and whip.

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Edgar" wrote in message
...
It does not take long to whip the ends. If you cut a

synthetic rope with a
hot knife it is a simple matter to flange the end out a

bit so even a common
whipping, put on in seconds, will not be able to slip off

the end.


If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need the
whipping?

Scotty





Edgar November 28th 06 04:39 PM

whipping or dipping?
 
Well, I admit to using electrical tape on occasion, but only on the cheapo
synthetic lines that I use to hold down my winter covers . These are cut to
length as I proceed and are going to be scrapped when I take the covers off
in the spring. But I need to stop the ends fraying out as I shall check and
tighten them as necessary during the winter months after the gales.

"Scotty" wrote in message
...
I use duck tape.

Scotty


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
I have several lines on my boat that were whipped

properly, and they're a
beautiful sight. However, when I replaced my fender lines

recently, I dipped
the ends instead of taking the time to whip them. So far,

it seems just
fine, the only difference seeming to be the asthetic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipping_knot

or


http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs...rvlet/SiteSear
chView?catalogId=10001&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial& keyword=wh
ipping&Ntt=whipping&N=0&storeId=10001&Ntk=All_2&dd key=SiteSe
arch

(http://tinyurl.com/ycx7os)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com








Ellen MacArthur November 28th 06 04:43 PM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Martin Baxter" wrote
| http://www.diesel-central.com/News/cackle.htm


Yeah! That's what I said.... But I never heard of cackle. Unless it's what chickens say.

Cheers,
Ellen

Joe November 28th 06 05:17 PM

whipping or dipping?
 

Walt wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote:
Joe wrote:


Hemp is tried and true..but I use nylon for sheets, cept the 100% jib
sheet it's big high tech, and the halyards they are stainless. I'm not
racing and like a bit of forgiveness. Nylons cheap and a pleasure to
work with.


Nylon for sheets? You must be mistaken, Dacron maybe but surely not
stretchy nylon.


Nylon sheets? Yee gad. Joe is as ignorant about sailing as he is about
politics.

Ok folks, let's take it from the beginning:

Sheets, halyards, control lines: Stretch BAD!

Docklines, towlines: Stretch GOOD!


Just how far do you think a 4 fold 3/4" nylon is going to stretch ?

Ill tell you...maybe 2-4 " in a gust that would put the rail under.

I'm not sailing a little trailor sailor ya know. You wanna use spectra
and carbon feel free.
High dollar line will do no better than nylon, I do not even use a
winch to sheet in my main or mizzen. My 100%+ Jibs all have 1" dacron
sheets.

Joe






Don't use stretchy nylon for sheets, and don't use low stretch
polyester/dacron for docklines. The high-tech ultra low stretch cordage
(e.g. technora, dynema, et al) is a bit better than polyester in some
situations, expensive unnecessary overkill in others.

//Walt



Seahag November 29th 06 01:26 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Scotty" wrote

If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need the
whipping?


It'll last longer and look better.

S



Seahag November 29th 06 01:30 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Scotty" wrote:

OzOne wrote in message


, "Scotty scribbled thusly:

I use duck tape.


How many ducks?


Brazillions! And they're all in a row.


Nice tomatos?

Seahag



Seahag November 29th 06 01:34 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
Hmmm, maybe it's just a girly thing;^

Seahag

"Capt. JG" wrote:
Ok, this is either TMI or I have no idea what you're
talking about. :-)


"Seahag" wrote:

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed
between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn
near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)


If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an
eyeball from behind!




Scotty November 29th 06 01:44 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote

If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need the
whipping?


It'll last longer and look better.



The lines I've cut at home, I wrapped with riggers tape
before cutting (tape and line) with a hot knife. Lasted so
far.

Scotty




Seahag November 29th 06 02:17 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote

If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need the
whipping?


It'll last longer and look better.



The lines I've cut at home, I wrapped with riggers tape
before cutting (tape and line) with a hot knife. Lasted so
far.


That's fine, but I'm talking about things that will last
around 8-10 years.

Seahag




Scotty November 29th 06 02:37 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote

If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need

the
whipping?

It'll last longer and look better.



The lines I've cut at home, I wrapped with riggers tape
before cutting (tape and line) with a hot knife. Lasted

so
far.


That's fine, but I'm talking about things that will last
around 8-10 years.


Bah, I figure I've only got about 4-5 left myself.

Scotty



Seahag November 29th 06 02:52 AM

whipping or dipping?
 

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..

"Seahag" wrote in message
...

"Scotty" wrote

If you're cutting with a hot knife, why do you need

the
whipping?

It'll last longer and look better.


The lines I've cut at home, I wrapped with riggers tape
before cutting (tape and line) with a hot knife. Lasted

so
far.


That's fine, but I'm talking about things that will last
around 8-10 years.


Bah, I figure I've only got about 4-5 left myself.


Pishaw...hatchoo?... whatever...then just paint the duck
tape.




Capt. JG November 29th 06 02:55 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
In that case, please enlighten us. :-)

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Hmmm, maybe it's just a girly thing;^

Seahag

"Capt. JG" wrote:
Ok, this is either TMI or I have no idea what you're talking about. :-)


"Seahag" wrote:

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)

If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an eyeball from behind!






Seahag November 29th 06 03:19 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
Aw, c'mon Jon, you know Ellen is just dying to 'splain!

Seahag

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
In that case, please enlighten us. :-)

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Hmmm, maybe it's just a girly thing;^

Seahag

"Capt. JG" wrote:
Ok, this is either TMI or I have no idea what you're
talking about. :-)


"Seahag" wrote:

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed
between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn
near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)

If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an
eyeball from behind!








Capt. JG November 29th 06 04:07 AM

whipping or dipping?
 
I sincerely hope he doesn't.

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Aw, c'mon Jon, you know Ellen is just dying to 'splain!

Seahag

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
In that case, please enlighten us. :-)

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"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Hmmm, maybe it's just a girly thing;^

Seahag

"Capt. JG" wrote:
Ok, this is either TMI or I have no idea what you're talking about. :-)


"Seahag" wrote:

"Ellen MacArthur" wrote:

"Seahag" wrote in
| Yeah, I had a back-spliced line until it got jammed between
| two dock boards as we were leaving someplace. Damn near
| lost a finger when the boat slammed into the pier.


Maybe you should stop picking your nose???? :-)

If I'd a been picking my nose I'd have poked out an eyeball from
behind!











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