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Does that book talk about the cost of making sails today vs. 5 years
ago? The ultra low cost today for the cutting machines? The fact that
some exotic materials are less expensive than Dacron? Waste ratios for
various materials, which governs production costs? How about standard
sails tweaked into exotica and then poorly made, such as the 3DL from
North?


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt" Rob wrote:
.... Waste ratios for
various materials, which governs production costs?

Labor is the biggest single cost.


.... How about standard
sails tweaked into exotica and then poorly made, such as the 3DL from
North?


??

Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.

DSK

Labor is the biggest single cost.


Not always. Family run lofts can ease those costs, especially if it's a
big family. Some smaller lofts have a huge advantage in that regard. In
any case Doyle and UK high salaries at all to the girls assembling
sails.


Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.


I guess you don't know about the lawsuits via delamination (not the
patent disaster). Remember the joke, "What does 3DL stand for? Answer:
3 days left."
How many times did North change the build specs on the 3DL, Doug? I
know because I'm friends with a plaintiff from 1999.
The very idea that someone knows something you don't is like poison to
you. It's terribly sad. Yesterday I spent 90 minutes speaking with a
top sailmaker. I listened and rarely said a word. You would have been
trying to show him what YOU know...and you would'nt have learned a
thing.
You're a powerboater, so why even comment at all? Hmmmm?


RB
35s5
NY

Labor is the biggest single cost.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
Not always. Family run lofts can ease those costs

Ah, I see. Get your kids to build the sails for free. Nice.



Tell us how a 3DL sail is "tweaked" please.


"Capt" Rob wrote:
I guess you don't know about the lawsuits via delamination

Guess all you like. What I know, or don't know, about
lawsuits is not an answer to the question about how 3DL
sails are "tweaked."


You're a powerboater, so why even comment at all?

I'm a "powerboater" with more time under sail than you'll
ever have. My dog knows more about sailing that you, plus
he's a lot more honest.

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud
exposed here, then quit posting.

DSK

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud
exposed here, then quit posting.


Doug, you're full of crap as usual.
The 3DL design via molds is old news. You can go to the website if you
want to learn about it. The horrible history of the sail and the tweaks
made (to slowly) to save it are known by some, but certainly not you.
As usual, Doug, caught with your pants down again. None of this has
anything at all to do with my ability to get sails for a great price of
course. It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on. Your only
reply...and for some reason you MUST reply, is to call me a liar in the
face of what's obviously true. The boats I broker are on yachtworld and
when they sell I do the sea trials and even short range deliveries.
What's the big deal? I sure don't see you offering anyone ANYTHING
here...not sails, cheap transient space...nada. All you do is whine and
cry over my posts and talk crap about your old sailing days.
And as for your comment about family run lofts...what business is that
of yours?

Two people here are now aboard and will save about 1000.00 on a main
and chute, Doug. We all know YOU don't need any sails.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt" Rob wrote:
Doug, you're full of crap as usual.

Then how come you can't answer the question?

DSK

Then how come you can't answer the question?


Which one, Doug...you want me to list the efforts by North to fix the
3DL over the years, tweak after tweak? Google it...you'll read plenty.
If I post it you'll just say I googled it anyway!
C'mon, dude. Everytime you try to kick me, your Earth-Shoe flies off,
bounces off the wall and ends up halfway down your throat.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

If it bothers you so much to have your ignorance & fraud
exposed here, then quit posting.


Doug, you're full of crap as usual.
The 3DL design via molds is old news. You can go to the website if you
want to learn about it. The horrible history of the sail and the tweaks
made (to slowly) to save it are known by some, but certainly not you.

Liar!

http://na.northsails.com/Racing_Sails/3DLHistory.htm

Sooper dooper liar!

http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/Cube...20Overview.pdf

Double-secret liar!!!!

http://www.sailinganarchy.com/innerv...02/whidden.htm


As usual, Doug, caught with your pants down again.

Is RB hoping?

None of this has
anything at all to do with my ability to get sails for a great price of
course.

What does?

It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on.

I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat yard.

Your only
reply...and for some reason you MUST reply, is to call me a liar in the
face of what's obviously true.

It is true that you are a liar. A big liar!


The boats I broker are on yachtworld and
when they sell I do the sea trials and even short range deliveries.

Prove it!


What's the big deal? I sure don't see you offering anyone ANYTHING
here...not sails, cheap transient space...nada.

I've seen pictures of him sailing with other ASA members. Where are your
pictures like that?


All you do is whine and
cry over my posts and talk crap about your old sailing days.

Who is whining and crying now?

And as for your comment about family run lofts...what business is that
of yours?

Sore point! Sore point! Some South Carolina family is about to be ruined by
associating with RB! Just wait and see!!!!



Two people here are now aboard and will save about 1000.00 on a main
and chute, Doug.

And if there are more than two defects per sail, the entire boat gets
replaced? Why should anyone invest in believing you? What is there to gain?


We all know YOU don't need any sails.

And you said you didn't either when you bought your boat last year. Now you
do - you are a liar!!!!!

"Gilligan" wrote

I've seen pictures of him sailing with other ASA members. Where are your
pictures like that?

I don't think Swabbie really has a boat. Somehow he managed to
get some pictures taken on someone elses boat.

"Gilligan" wrote in
message . ..

It just irks you to no end that I can. Just like it irks
you
that I work for my yard and get free services and so on.

I don't think Doug longs to be a powder monkey in a boat
yard.


BwaHahahahaha POWDER MONKEY !!!!!!!

WHoooooEeeeeeee that's funny.....

Powder Monkey!!!!!!!!

Har har hardee har har !