katysails wrote:
Marketing and the fashion industry are just two of the areas that are
art-based...if either was eliminated, the economy would dive....

Especially marketing. How in the world would our massive
consumer-products industries survive if they couldn't
convince people to go into debt to buy things they don't need?

I'm not sure how much "art" is really involved in
advertising, certainly it is somewhat of a creative (in an
applied way) field. This may be what Binary Charlie was
referring to when he said "Art DRIVES the economy." And
while it's a bit of a stretch of the definition of "art" I
agree... how much Budweiser beer would get sold if they
didn't spend millions advertising it?

DSK

The CC owns half of Manhattan. There's no reason why building that have
nothing to do with religion should be tax free. Given that we barely have a
Federal response to disasters any more, perhaps we *do* need charities.

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"katy" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
Yes, they're all tax free, but it seems like there should be some limits
and stiffer requirements. Some of the charities only really give a small
percentage of what they bring in to the people they claim they're
helping.

The Catholic Church is not one of those...Catholic hospitlas alone provide
emergency room and outpatient care to thousands...plus all the other
charities they support...my sister works for Catholic SOcial Services
where she lives giving classes on foster parenting. The amount of free
services, counseling, etc. given out by that one agency is staggering. And
I imagine in large cities it would be even more so...

We have less than $1.50 now in some places. I don't think the voters are
very happy though.

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"Joe" wrote in message
ps.com...

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:31:26 -0400, katy wrote:

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:31:34 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I was thinking of all the right-wingnuts who can't seem to figure out
that
good science is more important than their religious convictions.

So is art. Eliminate just music, and our economy would probably
collapse pretty
quickly. Eliminate religion and the economy would hardly notice.

CWM

Religion funds education and charities. If you eliminated church based
charities you'd have a real mess.

It would be barely noticed by the economy. Art DRIVES the economy.

Art ...You mean like Govt money given to some dip**** to take pictures
of a crusifix in a jar of **** kinda art? Or action adventures made by
derranged self centered drunken has beens religious nuts?

That drives your economy not mine.

Oil drives the economy.
1.50 gas by T-Day?
Happy voters?

Joe


CWM

Hollywood. The economy can't survive without it.

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"DSK" wrote in message
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katysails wrote:
Marketing and the fashion industry are just two of the areas that are
art-based...if either was eliminated, the economy would dive....

Especially marketing. How in the world would our massive consumer-products
industries survive if they couldn't convince people to go into debt to buy
things they don't need?

I'm not sure how much "art" is really involved in advertising, certainly
it is somewhat of a creative (in an applied way) field. This may be what
Binary Charlie was referring to when he said "Art DRIVES the economy." And
while it's a bit of a stretch of the definition of "art" I agree... how
much Budweiser beer would get sold if they didn't spend millions
advertising it?

DSK

DSK wrote:
katysails wrote:
Marketing and the fashion industry are just two of the areas that are
art-based...if either was eliminated, the economy would dive....

Especially marketing. How in the world would our massive
consumer-products industries survive if they couldn't convince people to
go into debt to buy things they don't need?

I'm not sure how much "art" is really involved in advertising, certainly
it is somewhat of a creative (in an applied way) field. This may be what
Binary Charlie was referring to when he said "Art DRIVES the economy."
And while it's a bit of a stretch of the definition of "art" I agree...
how much Budweiser beer would get sold if they didn't spend millions
advertising it?

DSK

A lot of art goes into advertising...my rx brother in law was a graphics
designer...he and most of his colleagues background came from art
institutes...photography is an art...watch the Cleo awards
sometime...they are intersting and show the best of what advertising has
to offer...it is an art to get consumers to select one product over
another...without the creativity invested in advertising, products
wouldn't sell...imagine if commercials were just scientists spouting off
the facts about their particular brand...who would buy? Think of
pharmaceutical commercials where they have to relate all the horrendous
side effects of their products but the commercial sells the medication
even though the facts are there that it may do something other than cure
you...

Dave wrote:
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:45:10 -0700, "Capt. JG" said:

The CC owns half of Manhattan.

What kind of anti-religious screed did you get that from?

Hr ptobaby thinks the CC bought it from the Indians for 3 rosaries and a
plenaty indulgence...

Do you deny that they own huge chunks of the city? They're one of the major
landowners, have been for a long time.

One of the many, many articles that give you a number for their vast
holdings...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9669582 60

"Besides the Roman Catholic Church, which owns 2,000 buildings in New York
City..."

But, of course, you don't believe the NY Times, right?


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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:45:10 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

The CC owns half of Manhattan.

What kind of anti-religious screed did you get that from?

Charlie Morgan I'm-Still-Krusty.com said:
Eliminate all music from every source and see what happens.


Does that mean no more boom cars? Gee that would be a
disaster for civilization.


Dave wrote:
There's a reason I said it depends very much on what you call art. There's
no doubt the entertainment industry is a significant economic engine. Most
of its output, however, I wouldn't dignify with the word "art."

Another point on which we agree.

Dave have you ever read 'Stranger in a Strange Land' by
Robert A. Heinlein? It contains the best & most cogent
discourse on what 'art' really is and what it means to
people (Jubal Harshaw).

DSK

I assume that they have to pay normal taxes on their commercial and
residential rental property - that's certainly the case up here in MA.

Capt. JG wrote:
Do you deny that they own huge chunks of the city? They're one of the major
landowners, have been for a long time.

One of the many, many articles that give you a number for their vast
holdings...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...C0A9669582 60

"Besides the Roman Catholic Church, which owns 2,000 buildings in New York
City..."

But, of course, you don't believe the NY Times, right?

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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Unlike the mess we already have? I have no problem with charities. I do
have a problem with granting charities immense tax write-offs. The
Catholic church comes to mind, as do the Moonies.

Ah yes, the Unification Church of the "Rev." Sun Yung Moon. One of my
favorites. I used to love to attempt to debate the Moonies that came to my
door soliciting funds when I was in college. My favorite: "I guess you
have to turn all that collected money over to Rev. Moon. I'll make you a
better deal--collect money for my "church" and I'll let you keep half."

What I'd like to see more than denying tax write-offs to religious
organizations is some tight accountability for where the "charitable" funds
go. There is a sizeable church organization here that has an annual
operating budget of well over half a billion dollars. The Rev. and his
family live like royalty at any of their numerous homes in Hawaii, Florida,
the Caribbean, Europe, Aspen, and Utah. They have four--count 'em--four
"corporate" jets and a rather largish motor yacht which moves annually
between the Caribbean and the Med. They've been doing a big fundraising
push for the establishment of a new TV transmitter and station to be built
in French Polynesia. I'm in the wrong damn business.

Max