On 10 Sep 2006 21:31:44 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:

I've always thought that wars should be fought by the leaders of each
country involved, after all they're the ones who declared it.....or
not in the case of Iraq.


I think there was a movie like that... both sides chose one person,
and they fought it out on an island. I can't remember the details.

Yeah! Toshiro Mafuni sp and Lee Marvin. Can't quite remember the
name though. (
Guess I could hit the IMD if it bugs me too much.
Mark E. Williams

Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On 10 Sep 2006 21:31:44 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article , OzOne wrote:
I've always thought that wars should be fought by the leaders of each
country involved, after all they're the ones who declared it.....or
not in the case of Iraq.

I think there was a movie like that... both sides chose one person,
and they fought it out on an island. I can't remember the details.

Yeah! Toshiro Mafuni sp and Lee Marvin. Can't quite remember the
name though. (
Guess I could hit the IMD if it bugs me too much.
Mark E. Williams

Hell in the Pacific

That's not it. Although that's a good movie.

It wasn't with Lee Marvin for sure... not the movie I was thinking of...
I'll find it.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Maynard G. Krebbs wrote:
On 10 Sep 2006 21:31:44 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

In article , OzOne
wrote:
I've always thought that wars should be fought by the leaders of each
country involved, after all they're the ones who declared it.....or
not in the case of Iraq.

I think there was a movie like that... both sides chose one person,
and they fought it out on an island. I can't remember the details.

Yeah! Toshiro Mafuni sp and Lee Marvin. Can't quite remember the
name though. ( Guess I could hit the IMD if it bugs me too much.
Mark E. Williams

Hell in the Pacific

Dave wrote:
In other words, Doug you've now made a Herculean effort to back up your
claim and have come up empty

2 million + hits is "empty"???


.... so you're trying very hard to blow enough
smoke to hide that fact.


Not really.

You are making the claim that either the Bush Administration
gave full disclosure of their treatment of prisoners
including torture, use of former KGB facilities, "extreme
rendition" etc etc; or that they were never asked about it.

You cannot back up either of those propositions with facts
(not surprisingly). So now you're attacking me and refusing
to look at the very obvious evidence from the real world.

This is a little surprising, even from the most extreme
Bush/Cheney apologists. I guess the next stage is to accuse
me of ad-hominem attacks.

DSK

So, I guess being a general and having an opinion doesn't count much with
you. That's my answer.

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On 10 Sep 2006 21:27:59 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

This is a question on which General Walker has no greater expertise
than you
or I. Lawyers, whether military or otherwise, are supposed to be
experts on
what the law is, not what it should be.

Give me a break. He's on the front lines of the issue. He certainly is
more qualified than either of us to render an opinion.

What facts does he know, which we don't, that makes him uniquely
qualified
to decide what the law in this area should be?

My god, you don't know???

If I knew I wouldn't have asked the question. So what's your answer?

Dave are you upset that you can't vote for Bush again? I think you can write
him in.

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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:03:42 +1000, OzOne said:

You know yet another Bush lie......guess the proof of the lied denials
was about to surface so he got in first.

You mean the denials you've been unable to locate?

Not my or Doug/Oz's job to do your searching for you. If you're interested
in the truth, do the search. If you're not, you're not really having fun at
our expense. You're having fun as your loss.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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Not upset at all. Just having a little fun at your expense. And Doug's.
And
Oz's.

Surely among the three of you and googling some 2 million entries, one of
you must be able to find a report that the administration denied that the
secret prisons existed. Even the proverbial million monkeys on a million
typewriters ought to result in at least one such report.


On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 12:14:40 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Dave are you upset that you can't vote for Bush again? I think you can
write
him in.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:03:42 +1000, OzOne said:

You know yet another Bush lie......guess the proof of the lied denials
was about to surface so he got in first.

You mean the denials you've been unable to locate?

Yes, they would not confirm nor deny it at a mimimum. They mislead the
American public.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 15:14:42 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Not my or Doug/Oz's job to do your searching for you. If you're interested
in the truth, do the search. If you're not, you're not really having fun
at
our expense. You're having fun as your loss.

You've got it backwards here, Jon. You, Oz and Doug made the claim that
the
administration had previously denied the existence of secret prisons. That
claim should be easy to support if, as Doug says, it was widely reported.
Ever heard of the inherent futility of trying to prove a negative? I could
look at a zillion articles, none of which contained the your fairy tale
claim, and it wouldn't prove a thing. You three, on the other hand, have
to
come up among the three of you with just one credible report. You haven't
been able to do so.

Bush lied, Cheney lied, Rumsfeld lied. I'm admitting that much.
Congratulations. You're supporting liars.

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"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 20:00:50 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

Yes, they would not confirm nor deny it at a mimimum. They mislead the
American public.

So you're finally admitting your inability to support your claim.
Congratulations.

He doesn't want you to look it up yourself??

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"Dave" wrote in message
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So Oz lied.

His inability to admit he erred is exposed for all to see.



On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 18:35:06 +1000, OzOne wrote:

On 14 Sep 2006 09:41:02 -0500, Dave scribbled
thusly:

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:28:03 +1000, OzOne said:

Who's Googling....I know what I've read.

So, Oz, all I'm asking is that you identify specifically and in a
verifiable fashion the publication you claim to have read supporting your
claim.

Dave,,I'm telling you to look it up yourself.
Bye now!


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.