Scotty wrote:
CNN reported that the Capt was a Canadian.

Oh...well that explains everything.

Joe



Scotty


"Peter" wrote in message
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The helmsman would be in the **** if it was one of my
vessels. I log
all the GPS data in real time plus the ships log & gyro
plus a ton of
other parameters. In fact I have 3 GPS units aboard, 1 fwd
and 2 aft
including an aircraft 3D unit and a trim cube to log pitch
& roll at 10
Hz. There's no hiding.

PDW

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Now when on the helm of the fat sam I had a very hard
time inducing a
30 degree roll, lucky to get a 10 degree roll without
getting caught,
and we were 11 decks abouve the waterline.


I was under the impression that more occured to induce
the 30% than
just a helm error. That's a long list!


RB
35s5
NY

It was not a helm error IMO. My guess is it was a prank
that went a bit
to far. I bet the helmsman is glad there is no Black Box
or camera
focused on him.

They have no ideal what induced the roll. Having helmed
a 845 ft ship
all over the Pacific I can make a very good guess as to
what happened
if they find no mechanical cause.

1. The helmsman did it, only takes about 10 seconds, and
when anyone
looks at the helm after that 10 seconds he's on course
looking just as
amazed :0) With the ship being so new, that was the
first time somone
tried to see if they could induce a roll. IIRC the ship
has Pod's and
no rudders. A seaman who is on the helm may not
understand the
difference and tried an old prank sailors have been
doing since the
beginning of shipping.

2. The autopilot was switched on.... on the wrong
course.

Nothing else IMO.

Joe

BG Nah. I'm a lazy sort. Why waste time climbing to the bridge to get me
bottle when I can easily keep it in me room?

otn

"Capt.Mooron" wrote in message
news:LHCvg.142560$S61.34853@edtnps90...
Oh Yeah.... that's typical... it's not the guy at the fricken wheel's
fault!!

Half you guys have never been to the wheel house except to fetch another
bottle!

Thank Gawd there are folks like Peter to keep the lot of you slackers
within spec.

CM-

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"Peter" wrote in message
oups.com...

otnmbrd wrote:
So...... what the hell do you need all THIS crap for?

Because I run systems on research vessels.

G Kinda guessed something like that.

Personally, after a short period of time, I'd probably tell you just
where
you could shove your data, as it seems you are ready to blame the
helmsman
on scanty information, for something which may well NOT be his/her doing.

Ummm, Joe was saying that the helmsman could have been playing games
because he could get back on course before anyone figured it out. I'm
pointing out that - those days are GONE.

Actually those days were gone long before the newer systems. However, for
this type vessel the helmsman does little more than monitor things at sea as
the ship will be on autopilot 99% of the time and if the ship was on "hand"
steering, all of his actions would be watched.
(Not to say he couldn't screwup/oversteer, but odds are this is a
mechanical/electronic glitch since the action to induce a 15deg roll would
be a considerable, uncorrected screwup...... unlikely.)

My suggestion FWIW....analyze/collect your data ...... then ask the
people
on the ships what it means

Heh. Got news for you, *I* tell *them*.

G It's a two way street. When lucky enough to have this type of data, you
can generally get much more from it if you analyze it together, rather than
seperately.


I've seen it all, my friend. I've had the fun of hand steering an
icebreaker down leads in the pack, leaving a course track that looked
later like a drunken snail trail (similar to my normal helming, in
fact, but what the hell, they pay me...). I don't make assumptions
(except that most scientists are of limited competence outside their
specialty) until I have all the facts. WRT this thread, perhaps you
might consider the wisdom of that, before you flame me for something I
didn't say.

PDW

My first job in "65" was on a research vessel (long gone) and I've had
numerous occasions to observe the "scientist" "deckie" relationship since.
As for flaming you....G nah.....I just responded to what you *did* say,
and you'll note that in my first post I stated that I'm going to be
interested in finding out what really was the cause of this, once the
investigation is complete.

otn

ROFL

wrote in message
oups.com...
It was one hell of a roll from what I've read. The pool water exited
and was replaced by sea water.

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Now when on the helm of the fat sam I had a very hard time inducing a
30 degree roll, lucky to get a 10 degree roll without getting caught,
and we were 11 decks abouve the waterline.

The pool water *is* sea water on those ships.

SBV


wrote in message
oups.com..
..
It was one hell of a roll from what I've read. The pool
water exited
and was replaced by sea water.

Joe wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:
Now when on the helm of the fat sam I had a very hard
time inducing a
30 degree roll, lucky to get a 10 degree roll without
getting caught,
and we were 11 decks abouve the waterline.

Human error



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Cap'n Crunch




"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Now when on the helm of the fat sam I had a very hard time inducing
a
30 degree roll, lucky to get a 10 degree roll without getting
caught,
and we were 11 decks abouve the waterline.

I guess the fat sam was not as top heavy as the carnival ship. I
wonder
if the helmsmans was just FN with the passengers, or maybe they
engaged
the autopilot on the wrong course.

Critical injuries....oh my. That ship looks extreamly top heavy,
wonder
whats going to happen if it gets in a major storm, people are going
to
be slapped back and forth between the bulkheads.

Joe

Human error, generally rears it's ugly head, but there's still more to
it..... i.e., the system and the officer's training/experience, allowed this
"error" to occur.

otn


"Cap'n Crunch" wrote in message
. ..
Human error



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Cap'n Crunch




"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Now when on the helm of the fat sam I had a very hard time inducing a
30 degree roll, lucky to get a 10 degree roll without getting caught,
and we were 11 decks abouve the waterline.

I guess the fat sam was not as top heavy as the carnival ship. I wonder
if the helmsmans was just FN with the passengers, or maybe they engaged
the autopilot on the wrong course.

Critical injuries....oh my. That ship looks extreamly top heavy, wonder
whats going to happen if it gets in a major storm, people are going to
be slapped back and forth between the bulkheads.

Joe

"Joe" wrote:

Scotty wrote:
CNN reported that the Capt was a Canadian.

Oh...well that explains everything.

Joe

Captain Ron? From Nova Scotia? lol

LP

"Capt. Rob" wrote:
That's right! The buffet cart rolled to port and some large dork like you
went chasing after it. The rest is history.


Is this what you've been reduced to? Capt Neal would be ashamed. Next
you'll be making poopy jokes.

Capt. Neal loves "cedar bucket" jokes, Rob! Yet with the program!

LP