Here are the facts, right from Joe's own feedbag!


"Your local
weather says winds 21knots with gust to 31, shucks bubbles that prime 9

knot sailing wind on redcloud, no reefs, 100% jib."


Now in those conditions we held just over 10 knots steady, faster than
Red Cloud. The funny thing is that we had Thomas on board and we sure
weren't pushing things. My friend's 1979 J30 was a bit slower, but
still faster than Joe's steel snail. Back at the club a J29 racer said
he hit 14 knots!
Now...let's put this in perspective. ALL of these boats, including ours
have much less WL than Red Cloud and we're all STILL faster! When you
stop to think how slow Joe's boat truly is, it's mind boggling. Now,
imagine light air! Yikes! Maybe Joe should get an 90 foot motorsailor.
That should be faster than a 35s5, right?
Joe has now also admitted that he sails a tiny fast boat to get his
true sailing fix. Too bad he couldn't afford one boat to fit his needs
as we did.
Now, am I saying Dead Cloud is a bad boat? Not at all. Poor Joe has a
fat, ungainly boat, but she was BUILT THAT WAY...not for speed...of
which she has very little compared to most boats close to her size.

Good luck, Slow Joe of the SV Dead Cloud!


RB
35s5
NY

Capt.Crunch wrote:


My friend's 1979 J30 was a bit slower, but
still faster than Joe's steel snail. Back at the club a J29 racer said
he hit 14 knots!

Well duh...My labrisa will hit 20+ knots in such wind,


Now...let's put this in perspective. ALL of these boats, including ours
have much less WL than Red Cloud and we're all STILL faster! When you
stop to think how slow Joe's boat truly is, it's mind boggling. Now,
imagine light air! Yikes! Maybe Joe should get an 90 foot motorsailor.
That should be faster than a 35s5, right?
Joe has now also admitted that he sails a tiny fast boat to get his
true sailing fix. Too bad he couldn't afford one boat to fit his needs
as we did.

My long term need is to cruise for several years on end bubbles.
Therefore RedClouds fits my needs to a T long term. I do not need
little stepping stones to build my confidence. My voyage, when I choose
to depart, will be Epic compared to anything you will ever do at sea.

Since my office and home is onboard, and other obligations and
commitments keep me from departing now I'm taking my sweet time fitting
her out and enjoying small sails down the coast and a few regettas,
that BTW average 250 miles offshore 1 way. Just getting out on the
water is not a deep desire.

Now, am I saying Dead Cloud is a bad boat?

I'm saying offshore in any weather the 35s5 is a big time loser. But
she was not buildt to go out of the site of land, sure some dare devils
will, but not bubbles.

Not at all. Poor Joe has a
fat,


is a 12' beam fat for a 42 footer? Some 30 footers have 12 ft beams
Robert...sheezeee


ungainly boat,

Trimmed and balanced in 30 knot winds she sails and rides like a cloud.
I can single handle her myself bubbles. So whats ungainley?

A fine ocean cruiser with AC's installed that work while underway,
same with the fridge, freezer, microwave, fans, icemaker, radar, sonar,
TV's ect....just like a home...not a weekend french winnabago camper,
on par to a coleman tent with a porta pottie.

Why pull out the Big guns when a .22 will do day sailing?

Now for fun and weekends I have a labrisa. True shes not an offshore
boat, she is made for conditions that boats like your 35s5 were made
for. Only a fool would take either boats offshore. Both boats are to
fragile and tender, but fun none the less.

Infact my LaBrisa is perfect for the type of sailing you do Robert just
faster, no heavy engine, usless AC's, prop drag and comfy for 4 people.
She's tender like your 35s5 I must admit, so you have to stay on your
toes. We take it out most every day..this time of year the 15:00 -
19:00 time slot has steady 15-20 kt winds everyday like clock work.
looking forward to planing over 20kts soon. The boat is pure sailing
fun, no stick on fakeness involved or needed. For a calm sunset sail to
blasting across the lake ahead of a squall, to sailing to the fine
resturants on the bordwalk the labrisa is hard to beat.

The hull speed of RedCloud is 13 kts.
Whats the hull speed of a 35s5?

My Labrisa can plane...Can the 35s5 plane?

Labrisa Pure sailing preformance

....35s5 prop drag, smelly exhaust, "hot and humid below" complicated,
ugly.

It's just killing you... You and your puppets are green with envy. Just
give it up Rob, you are so out of shape you are going to have a massave
heart attack if you try to acheive my sailing lifestyle. Face it old
man, your hair is balding, your gut is expanding, you are driving a
soccer moms van, and your boat is all french fluff. Soon you will be a
full fledged member of the PTA and the AARP at the same time.

Joe

RB
35s5
NY

I'm saying offshore in any weather the 35s5 is a big time loser. But
she was not buildt to go out of the site of land, sure some dare devils

will, but not bubbles.


Joe, you expose yourself with every post. There's no reason not to take
a 35s5 offshore if that's the game plan. In fact, with more than half
racing in Europe, many of the races are quite long and offshore.
There's no reason to not take a Catalina 30 offshore either, so long as
you watch the large companionway hatch.

My voyage, when I choose
to depart, will be Epic compared to anything you will ever do at
sea.


Yeah, we hear that all the time. And we also have some nice plans to
set off for longer sailing adventures down the road. But let me give
you a tip. There are plenty of things that can trip you up while you
wait. If you have any love for sailing itself, go today. Don't wait for
tomorrow. In an hour we'll be off for an afternoon sail. I don't need
to cross an ocean to enjoy the wind in my sails. Even a few hours is
fantastic. Every time, Joe. Because we love it. If you think sailing is
only about sailing distances, winning races, where you sail, or the
type of design you prefer, you've missed the whole point.

Just getting out on the
water is not a deep desire.


Well it might occur to you that there are plenty of folks who love to
sail and getting out there is any capacity is great. I don't meet any
sailors, including the ones who cross oceans, who don't yearn to be on
the water, even for a day.


A fine ocean cruiser with AC's installed that work while underway,
same with the fridge, freezer, microwave, fans, icemaker, radar, sonar,

TV's ect....just like a home...not a weekend french winnabago camper,
on par to a coleman tent with a porta pottie.

If you feel you need all of that onboard, so be it. We've spent a few
nights aboard our 35s5 and love it. If we end up wanting the AC, we'll
drop in an genset easy as pie. The platform and harness are already in
place. But we probably won't need it. We will be sailing and have
exactly the right gear for local sailing, weekending and longer trips.
When we need a bigger boat, we'll get it. It will still be fast, unlike
your boat. And we won't spend years outfitting it. Joe, you're story is
quite old and tired, but I hope (against the odds) that it works out.
You must know that it often doesn't.

35s5 were made
for. Only a fool would take either boats offshore.

Since I personally know people who go offshore in Beneteau's, Tartans,
J-Boats, Catalinas and Columbia's, I really have no idea of what you're
talking about. 35s5's have circumnavigated, Joe. All it takes is time.

Infact my LaBrisa is perfect for the type of sailing you do Robert


No it's not. We take weekend trips and almost always have 5-7 people
aboard for daysails. We make good use of the cabin and Thomas has his
own play area in the aft cabin.

The hull speed of RedCloud is 13 kts.
Whats the hull speed of a 35s5?

Joe, why do you do this to yourself? Why???? You must know this sort of
thing makes you look dumb, desperate and ready to go nova. Your boat
does not have a hull speed of 13 knots. A Swan 57 is barely over 9
knots fer cripes sake.

Our boat is faster. It's certainly nicer and newer. It's getting good
use TODAY and not waiting for some pipe dream to shake off 400 lbs of
rust. EVERY DAY YOU POST HERE is another day when Heart of Gold is
doing what we want her to, while your boat is simply a waste. And
you've proven that with your own words beyond any doubt.


RB
35s5
NY

Since my office and home is onboard, and other obligations and
commitments keep me from departing now I'm taking my sweet time



Your obligations are SWEET time? Uh okay!



RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
I'm saying offshore in any weather the 35s5 is a big time loser. But
she was not buildt to go out of the site of land, sure some dare devils

will, but not bubbles.


Joe, you expose yourself with every post. There's no reason not to take
a 35s5 offshore if that's the game plan. In fact, with more than half
racing in Europe, many of the races are quite long and offshore.

As long as plenty of rescue boats are around you might be OK.


There's no reason to not take a Catalina 30 offshore either, so long as
you watch the large companionway hatch.

My voyage, when I choose
to depart, will be Epic compared to anything you will ever do at
sea.


Yeah, we hear that all the time. And we also have some nice plans to
set off for longer sailing adventures down the road. But let me give
you a tip. There are plenty of things that can trip you up while you
wait.

Also plenty of other things now take priorty.


If you have any love for sailing itself, go today.

Why?

Don't wait for
tomorrow. In an hour we'll be off for an afternoon sail. I don't need
to cross an ocean to enjoy the wind in my sails. Even a few hours is
fantastic. Every time, Joe. Because we love it.

Same with my boats, why pull out the cruiser when a day sailor works?


If you think sailing is
only about sailing distances, winning races, where you sail, or the
type of design you prefer, you've missed the whole point.

Just getting out on the
water is not a deep desire.


Well it might occur to you that there are plenty of folks who love to
sail and getting out there is any capacity is great. I don't meet any
sailors, including the ones who cross oceans, who don't yearn to be on
the water, even for a day.

Yeah all you lubbers are that way. You get all gitty about it. I was
that way the first few years, crossing the pacific the first few time,
in the N sea was exciting, but I've been living aboard boats since
1979. Sure Id like to get out crusing now, but other things are of more
importance right now. I can wait and pick when I want to go.



A fine ocean cruiser with AC's installed that work while underway,
same with the fridge, freezer, microwave, fans, icemaker, radar, sonar,

TV's ect....just like a home...not a weekend french winnabago camper,
on par to a coleman tent with a porta pottie.

If you feel you need all of that onboard, so be it. We've spent a few
nights aboard our 35s5 and love it. If we end up wanting the AC, we'll
drop in an genset easy as pie. The platform and harness are already in
place. But we probably won't need it. We will be sailing and have
exactly the right gear for local sailing, weekending and longer trips.
When we need a bigger boat, we'll get it. It will still be fast, unlike
your boat. And we won't spend years outfitting it. Joe,

You would not know how to outfit a boat, stick to mass production.

you're story is
quite old and tired, but I hope (against the odds) that it works out.
You must know that it often doesn't.


35s5 were made
for. Only a fool would take either boats offshore.

Since I personally know people who go offshore in Beneteau's, Tartans,
J-Boats, Catalinas and Columbia's, I really have no idea of what you're
talking about. 35s5's have circumnavigated, Joe. All it takes is time.

Time? Is that what keeps you inshore...time?


Infact my LaBrisa is perfect for the type of sailing you do Robert


No it's not. We take weekend trips and almost always have 5-7 people
aboard for daysails. We make good use of the cabin and Thomas has his
own play area in the aft cabin.

Yeah restrictions like playpens, sure do ad on to a day sailor. Makes
people buy ugly mobiles like minivans as well.



The hull speed of RedCloud is 13 kts.
Whats the hull speed of a 35s5?

Joe, why do you do this to yourself? Why???? You must know this sort of
thing makes you look dumb, desperate and ready to go nova. Your boat
does not have a hull speed of 13 knots. A Swan 57 is barely over 9
knots fer cripes sake.

Thats swans problem.

Our boat is faster. It's certainly nicer and newer.

It's not nicer by a mile, newer=cheaper build.


It's getting good
use TODAY

I live aboard, have an office aboard and sail offshore TODAY.

and not waiting for some pipe dream to shake off 400 lbs of
rust. EVERY DAY YOU POST HERE is another day when Heart of Gold is
doing what we want her to, while your boat is simply a waste.

Waste?????? waste is your aft cabin/ play pen. If you were raising a
sailor he'd be on deck learning instead of peeling bananas with his
feet in the hot & humid playpen below.

Waste is buying an overpriced cheaply buildt throwaway boat and Van.
But hey live for "TODAY" bubbles. Easy come easy go. I see fools like
you all the time.

And
you've proven that with your own words beyond any doubt.


Face it...bubbles....you're a KIA Soccer Mom with an overpriced tender
daysailor, and with the 3000 lbs of rail meat you claim to haul around
your slower and more top heavy than a fatty knees

Give it up. When it comes to sailing enjoyment and quality vessels
you're still more than a dozen " stepping stones" behind me. When I'm
cruising you will be dealing with soccer games.

Joe






RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Since my office and home is onboard, and other obligations and
commitments keep me from departing now I'm taking my sweet time



Your obligations are SWEET time? Uh okay!

Yeah, since I own the companies I keep the profit... Sweet..

Joe





RB
35s5
NY

Waste is buying an overpriced cheaply buildt throwaway boat and Van.
But hey live for "TODAY" bubbles.


That's exactly right, Joe. While you posted to asa, we were out with a
couple of friends sailing. We ended up taking the 35s5 out in very
light air. We sailed with only the main up and the boat really sailed
smartly along, quite responsive as we watched a couple of boats give up
and motor away. You could never have sailed in those conditions of
course.
Joe, for someone older your sure aren't very bright. My stepmother died
from heart failure at 53. She was fit and ate right. I'm happy to say
she saw quite a few dreams before an early death because she did "live
for today."
Tomorrow may not come for you, Joe. And I sailed today...and you
didn't. I'm sailing again tomorrow and again Thursday. Next week I'll
be sailing a Hobie 16 for 4 days in North Carolina.
You're full of it, Joe. Sitting on a big barge bragging about the
sailing you MIGHT do. While we do the sailing we planned today. Sorry.
It simply sucks to be you.


RB
35s5
NY

Face it...bubbles....you're a KIA Soccer Mom with an


Yup, parked in the garage facing my silver STI, Joe. AWD and 0-60 in
4.8 seconds, Joe. Got anything like that? How about a 90 point MG-TF
that we keep in PA? Got one of those?
Of course you don't. I hope your distant plans come true for you....and
I really mean that. I'm sure you're a nice fellow in "real life" and
I'd like to see every sailor's dreams come true. But your path is
simply to risky and slow for me. Our way we get to sail a fast and fun
boat today...and an even faster and bigger one tomorrow. It just makes
more sense.


RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Waste is buying an overpriced cheaply buildt throwaway boat and Van.
But hey live for "TODAY" bubbles.


That's exactly right, Joe. While you posted to asa, we were out with a
couple of friends sailing. We ended up taking the 35s5 out in very
light air. We sailed with only the main up and the boat really sailed
smartly along, quite responsive as we watched a couple of boats give up
and motor away. You could never have sailed in those conditions of
course.

I sailed in light air tonight, my new rudder preformed nicely, sailed
from the dock and back into the slip, no need for a motor like your
french junker. Had a nice shaker of Martini's and good company. So
again you no not what you speak of...as usual. Did not fly the new
spinnaker, just the jib and main, Not much action but the lake was
quiet void of weekend warriors like you.


Joe, for someone older your sure aren't very bright.

Older? Hey dickweed your older than I am.


My stepmother died
from heart failure at 53. She was fit and ate right. I'm happy to say
she saw quite a few dreams before an early death because she did "live
for today."


Tomorrow may not come for you, Joe.

maybe not, and if so I have in my memories more miles at sea then you
will ever see even if you live to 100. I'd be happy with what I've done
allready.. But hey I'm planning on being around another 50 years. You
may be holding your cheast expecting the big one anytime now, but I'm
not.

Besides tomorrow will be here faster than you realize bubbles, yet 16
more years rasing a kid is going to put you in your 60's before you"re
free to cruise.

And I sailed today...and you
didn't.

Wrong again....I have 2 sailboats, you have one.
I have a fine day sailor
you have a day sailor.

I have a "passage maker"
You do not.

I live the dream
You dream the dream.

I'm sailing again tomorrow and again Thursday. Next week I'll
be sailing a Hobie 16 for 4 days in North Carolina.

So what bubbles, you rented a bottom of the line cat in Mayberry. Big
deal.
I'll be sailing when ever I want to, to where ever I choose. And I will
be sailing for sure Wensday night, thats the race night here, we have
40-50 boats that race ever wen. night here on clearlake.

I choose here and now, clean water, warm breezes and a dock that makes
your finger pier look like well a finger pier. I'm in pasadise now
Robert.

You're full of it, Joe. Sitting on a big barge bragging about the
sailing you MIGHT do. While we do the sailing we planned today. Sorry.
It simply sucks to be you.

Sorry it simple sucks to have a Kia, Bent-a-toe and urgent need to brag
about the harbor sailing you get to do.

Guess if you're on the hard half the year, and running between broaker
deals, nursery school, selling paddles, writing novels, publishing
coffee table books, cleaning gazillion dollar cameras, listing crap on
e-bay, changing diapers, being Mr. Mom, doing photo shoots with tier 3
losers of gane shows, buying junk cars... it must seem like quite an
accomplishment to actually sail even if it is a short jaunt in
sewerville.

Geeeee here it's kinda the norm year round. No big deal..

Keep dreaming Robert ....someday after you're sixty you might have the
sailing lifestyle I now enjoy every day of the year. You might get
passed the amusment park giddyness and 30 min rides on the sound to
learn what real sailing is about.

Man you hunched a dog with that benny stepping stone and throw away POS
car.
Who ever gave you the hard earned money must be rolling in the grave.

Joe




RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Face it...bubbles....you're a KIA Soccer Mom with an


Yup, parked in the garage facing my silver STI, Joe. AWD and 0-60 in
4.8 seconds, Joe. Got anything like that? How about a 90 point MG-TF
that we keep in PA? Got one of those?

No.... I dont have a 50 ft cigar boat either..go figure.

Of course you don't.

Bwahahahahahahaa thats OK bubbles you need those things


I hope your distant plans come true for you....and
I really mean that.


I'll send you pictures

I'm sure you're a nice fellow in "real life" and
I'd like to see every sailor's dreams come true. But your path is
simply to risky and slow for me.

Yer ticker acting up again?

Our way we get to sail a fast and fun
boat today...and an even faster and bigger one tomorrow. It just makes
more sense.

Cool. I'm happy

Joe



RB
35s5
NY