Capt. JG wrote:

Come on Jim... every time you type something, you're supplying us with
facts. That's simple logic and even the owner of a wonderful MacrapM would
know that. Are you sure you own one?

Fortunately, I'm allowed to waste my time any way I want. Isn't America
great!

You're right, though. The only way to back up my assertions that they are
pieces of garbage, designed for novice sailors who don't know better, would
be to own one myself. Well, I guess you've got me there!

Please show me where I've ever said that they fall apart by the hundreds or
their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. The fact that they're cheaply built
and sail poorly (sorry, just what I've observed) says absolutely nothing
about them being appropriate for some people.




JG, please show me where I said that you said the Macs fall apart by the
hundreds,or that their crew perish in winds over 15 kts. - What I did
say, of course, was:

"JG, IF the Macs are that bad, and everyone knows it, why are you
wasting all this time and cyberspace? ...... Actually, you have been
having a great old time bashing the Mac26M, but so far, you haven't come
up with anything at all to back up all your assertions. ARE THEY falling
apart by the hundreds all over the world JG? ARE THEIR OWNERS AND CREWS
PERISHING if they happen to sail in winds over 15 knots? If so, why not
give us some news reports or independent accounts about all this carnage. "


So if, as you keep saying, the Macs are "junk" or, "a pretend sailboat,"
or "a lousy boat at rip-off prices," etc., then why aren't they falling
apart by the hundreds, and why aren't their crews perishing in anything
over moderate winds? - As I have said, I don't consider them suitable
for extended blue water crossings or the like. But since there are
thousands of them on the water (Particularly since they are one of the
most popular sailboat ever made and are sailed in all kinds of
conditions), and if your assertions were correct, surely there would be
hundreds of them breaking apart in even moderate weather conditions. To
the contrary, if you check any of the Mac discussion groups you will
note many owners who have been sailing their Macs for years in a variety
of conditions, have sailed other boats, and,when they finally trade in
their boats, often choose another Mac.


From what you have said, you haven't even sailed any of the recent
models of the Mac26 (e.g., the Mac 26M). Again, you really don't have
any first-hand experience with the 26M's, and the nearest experience you
have with ANY Macs were several anecdotes about Macs that seemed to be
having some type of difficulty in SFbay. (And who on this ng hasn't
had "difficulties" in some sailing conditions?)

In other words, it's obvious that you really don't have anything to back
up your statements about the Macs, JG. - Stupid remarks like: "They
junk and look like it" don't contribute anything useful to the ng; they
don't help anyone; and they generally short-circuit what might become a
balanced, potentially helpful discussion.

Or are you just another troll JG, as Joe noted?

Jim