Five star troll!


Even more so since a Hunter 37 can cruise around the world just fine.
Depending on the weather, it can also do it faster and in greater
comfort. All production boats are very close in quality.
Period.


RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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Five star troll!


Even more so since a Hunter 37 can cruise around the world just fine.
Depending on the weather, it can also do it faster and in greater
comfort. All production boats are very close in quality.
Period.

This is what is amazing. What you said is true. All you do is emphasize how
the 35s5 fits your needs very well and they go ballistic!

Perhaps the difference is is that you bought your boat to fullfill a
functional purpose, whereas others buy them to fullfill an image or some
other bizarre need.

Form follows function.

It's your objective practicality that drives them nuts.

Amen!

Carry on!

Glory!

whereas others buy them to fullfill an image or some
other bizarre need.

Bizarre is right!
On idiot claims he doesn't cruise, then buys a Express 30 telling
everyone how nice the cabin is. Still no nice pics of the Express 30
interior to be found. This guy certainly had better boats to suit his
type of sailing.

Another idiot takes a small, but tidy sum and buys a TRAWLER, fer
cripes sake!

Another fool, claiming to be a sailor, runs out and spends on a
Catalina 28. That has to be among the dullest boats ever designed.

Yet another clown admits his PDQ 36 is now overkill (and still claiming
he wished for the bigger one!). He also says he motors when doing less
than 5 knots and sails small boats when he wants "sailing fun!" Holy
jumping jelly beans, Batman!

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Five star troll!


Even more so since a Hunter 37 can cruise around the world just fine.
Depending on the weather, it can also do it faster and in greater
comfort. All production boats are very close in quality.
Period.

Low quality, built to a price point.


RB
35s5
NY

Low quality, built to a price point.


All production boats are built to a price point. The problem is a false
perception that a smaller builder might produce better boats. The
smaller builder will usually pay more for everything used to construct
a boat. Their best course of action for sales is to proclaim there boat
is "better." But how are they better? My 35s5 looks as good or better
than most Tartans. J-Boats and C&Cs we saw. If there was one standout
it was the Cape Dory yachts which seemed to have weathered the years
better than most other boats.
Big builders can afford to push the envelope. My 35s5 is just light
years beyond most of the boats built in the early 90s. Doug was unable
to find more than a couple of boats that combine her performance and
accomodations per foot. All he could do was post pics of boats that had
half the features.
Do features make a good boat? They do if they're important to
you...like an aft cabin and swim platform. Like a good turn of speed
and a spacious cockpit. Like a beautiful interior and head sized for
adults over 6 feet. Like shallow draft and a clear deck.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
Low quality, built to a price point.


All production boats are built to a price point. The problem is a false
perception that a smaller builder might produce better boats. The
smaller builder will usually pay more for everything used to construct
a boat.

Great point. Therefore, one should pay more for a boat from a smaller
builder to get the same quality. Or buy direct from the smaller builder. The
smaller builder usually has lower overhead costs.

Glory!

Great point. Therefore, one should pay more for a boat from a smaller
builder to get the same quality.

Until you move up well beyond Sabres and Tartans and Island Packets,
you're certainly not getting the premium boat you might think. Don't
believe me? Go ask some insurance surveyors who've seen many of these
boats totalled out. Ask THEM how much better a Tartan is than a Hunter.
Tartan owners sure won't like the answer.

RB
35s5
NY

Yea Beneteaus are better built. That's why they had the biggest
blister problem of any builder during the eighties and early nineties.
Thats why for years they used rivets to secure the hull to deck joint
until they started failing by the hundreds and reviewers embarassed
them into switching to bolts.

35s5 always bringing up the rear.

Hey Nutsy,

Who's going to Publish you?



http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomPage

Capt. Rob wrote:
Low quality, built to a price point.


All production boats are built to a price point. The problem is a false
perception that a smaller builder might produce better boats. The
smaller builder will usually pay more for everything used to construct
a boat. Their best course of action for sales is to proclaim there boat
is "better." But how are they better? My 35s5 looks as good or better
than most Tartans. J-Boats and C&Cs we saw. If there was one standout
it was the Cape Dory yachts which seemed to have weathered the years
better than most other boats.
Big builders can afford to push the envelope. My 35s5 is just light
years beyond most of the boats built in the early 90s. Doug was unable
to find more than a couple of boats that combine her performance and
accomodations per foot. All he could do was post pics of boats that had
half the features.
Do features make a good boat? They do if they're important to
you...like an aft cabin and swim platform. Like a good turn of speed
and a spacious cockpit. Like a beautiful interior and head sized for
adults over 6 feet. Like shallow draft and a clear deck.

RB
35s5
NY

In your diatribes about boat quality you never seem to address the meat
of the matter. You go on ad infinitum about looks, speed, features and
spaciousness but poor quality boats can look good, go fast and be
spacious with lots of features. You haven't addressed the quality of
the material used in the building of the boat, used in the rig, and the
other areas where the quality boat would stand out.

It is easy to build a boat that looks good and sails well for 10 or 15
years. Particularly if the boat only sees 20-30 days a year of sailing
in the Caribbean. It is far more difficult to build a boat that
withstands live-aboard and cruising lifestyles. The wear and tear on
those boats is significantly greater.

Figure the average boat gets about 25 days of sailing a year and few of
them are 24 hour days. Most are 8 hour days. So what is that? 200
hours a year? The average recreational sailor's diesel gets about 100
hours a year. Even a poorly constructed boat will look good for a few
years with that kind of limited and light use.

Now lets use one trip from Victoria to Hawaii as the typical cruiser
(although most will sail more than that in a year). The standard route
takes about 25 days of 24 hour a day sailing. So already they have
amassed 3 time the amount of wear and tear (600 hours). It is also well
known that offshore sailing with its constant motion is far harder on
gear than typical coastal cruising where the skipper picks his weather
window. Ergo the 600 hours has been harder (per hour) on the running
gear than the coastal cruising was in the other example.

The newer Benehuntalina may very well handle the challenges of offshore
sailing but their life span will not be that of a better quality boat.
In order to take them offshore they typically need lots of upgrades to
ready them for the rigors. The quality boat will be better equipped as
constructed and last longer once out there sailing.

So in the final comparison between Benehuntalinas and the slower purpose
built cruising boats should be made on level ground. I suggest that the
reason your boat looks good is because it hasn't been sailed much and
the others that didn't were. For a realistic comparison you need to
look at boats of a similar age with the same amount of ocean miles.
That is where the Compacs, Valiants, Vancouvers, Cape Dorys, Albergs and
other heavy built boats come out way ahead.

Gaz