A boat that is well engineered and strongly built does not
have to be super heavy. In fact, under normal sailing
conditions the higher performance boat will be much handier,
easier to maneuver, as well as just plain faster.

Thanks, Doug. And now why don't you admit that you know NOTHING of the
35s5 First series Beneteau's. If you did, you'd know that they have no
history of problems in quite a bit of offshore sailing. No port
failures, no bulhead tabbing failures and no blisters. The discontinous
rod rigging and spars are proven after 17 years of hard sailing on
plenty of the 400 hulls, quite a few of which stood up to charter use
better than the other Beneteau's, Catalinas and Hunters. According to
several French forums, the 35s5 was essentially bulletproof in charter
and quite a few are still in business.
The 35s5 is the best sailboat here. Period.

RB
35s5
NY

That is where the Compacs, Valiants, Vancouvers, Cape Dorys, Albergs
and
other heavy built boats come out way ahead.


Not if you want a fun, fast ride and a shorter distance family boat.
Thats how MOST people sail and the cases where the Valiants and Cape
Dorys come out way ahead are rare at best. In most cases a 35s5 will do
everything better than the boats listed above.


RB
35s5
NY

to find more than a couple of boats that combine her performance and
accomodations per foot.



Malarkey. Want me to publish the list again?


"Capt" Rob wrote:
Doug, you are a LIAR.

No, I'm not. Just Google it up.

... You NEVER posted a list (outside of a few
examples) that can do what the 35s5 does at her size and price...not
even close. Only the C&C 34XL CB is a true contender.

That's because you don't know beans about boats.

Starting with a list from my database of 475 racer/cruiser
type boats between 34' and 38', the Ben 35s5 was #191 for
speed. Going down the list we find a lot more with lower
PHRF ratings, so we end up with 268 boats comparable or
faster than the Ben-35s5.

Then we sort for draft, which important in a boat's
practical use. I like shallow draft myself. Unfortunately it
rules out some really nice boats that Boobsie never heard
of, like the Finngulf, Najad, CS-36, Grand Soleil, etc etc.
Now we're down to 171 boats, some of them custom designs.

Which of these boats have swim platforms? Any of them could
have, with about a weekend's worth of skilled labor (which
of course Boobsie can't supply). Many of them have open
transoms. Aft cabins? Most of them have something
comparable, and I have no way of guessing, other than to
remove boats which I know don't have one. Price? Shucks it'a
a buyers market. Besides, Boobsie is always bragging about
how rich he is. I did take off a few really high priced
boats like the Alerion Express 38 and the Morris 38.

BTW this turns out to be about 150 boats

AERODYNE 38
LUAU 350
SPARHAWK 35
SeaQuest 36
MIR 34
Cape Fear 38
TOUCAN 35
C&C 110
Spirit 37
Dehler DB-1
FINNGULF 335
THOMAS 35
Kirie Feeling 36
Bianca 360
Mirage 338
J-37 W
Olson 34
Bavaria 35 Exclusive
C&C 34R
SIROCCO 38
Kirie Elite 37
Ticon 34
Dufour 34
BENETEAU 361
Helena 38
Beneteau First 36s7
Sigma 36
OMEGA 36
Dehler DB-2
FEELING 364/1090
HUNTER Legend 37.5
Forna
J-34C
DUFOUR 35
BENETEAU FIRST 38s5
Alerion Express 38
FEELING 346 DI
NONSUCH 36
Van De Stadt 34
Express 34
HERITAGE 37 MK II
Jeanneau Sun Rise 33
Jeanneau Selection
FINNGULF 38
C&C 34+
Baltic 35
Hunter 37-2
CONTEST 36 S
ETAP 38
Hughes 38
Elan 36
HALLBERG-RASSY 34
Abbott 36
Hunter 35.5
FREEDOM 35
Santana 37
FREEDOM 36
Baltic 35 TM
OCEANIS 36 CC
MARINER POLARIS 36
JEANNEAU SUN 37.1
Orion 35/79
PEREGRINE 36
SCHOCK 34 PC
CABO RICO 38
WESTERLY OCEAN 33
HJB CUMULANT 38
Nightwind 35
ENDEAVOUR 37
Ericson 38-2 SD
Sabre 38 MKII
HUNTER 340
Morgan 364
Frers 33
Santana 35
EVASION 36
Tartan 37-3
VISION 36
Ericson 36
ISLAND PACKET 35
Peterson 34
Catalina 36 TM M
Seidlemann 37
JEANNEAU 36.2
HANS CHRISTIAN 38 MKII
CONTEST 38 S
GIBSEA 362
J-34
C&C 35-1
VICTORIA 38
Hunter 36-2 WK
SIROCCO 36
Tartan 33
Hunter 336
SUNSAIL HUNTER 336
Tartan 34
Schock 34PC
BAVARIA 36
APHRODITE 36
Beneteau 355
Avance 36
Waquiez Pretorian 35
Sweden 34
C&C 37
Sweden 36
WEST COR 30
Beneteau 35.5 W
S2 10.3
VIK 33
Scanmar 345
MOODY 376
Tartan 34-2
CENT 38
Galatea
CAL 36
O'DAY 37
DUFOUR 36 CLASSIC
C&C 36
Cal 35
CALIBER 35 LRC
SOUTHERLY 110
LITTLE HARBOR 38
Sweden 340
Elite 36
CS 34
JEANNEAU 33
Dehler 34
Soverel 37
MOOD 376
MOODY 38
GSOL 36
Seidlemann 37
Pearson 36
O'Day 35 SD
O'Day 34
O'Day 35
Scanmar 35 CC
Albin 35
Sabre 34 CB
CLEARWATER 35
Island Packet 370
Baltic 37
Scanmar 33
SPIRIT
Swan 371
Hunter 37
Islander 36
S2 11.0
CLEARWATER 36
Irwin 38 CB
FINN 351
Pearson 36-2
Waquiez 38

"The only vehicle that benefits from additional unnecessary
weight is a steam roller." -Uffa Fox


Bob Crantz wrote:
Brilliant!


Agreed.

I wish I'd thought of it!

DSK

Capt. Rob wrote:
to find more than a couple of boats that combine her performance and
accomodations per foot.



Malarkey. Want me to publish the list again?


Doug, you are a LIAR. You NEVER posted a list (outside of a few
examples) that can do what the 35s5 does at her size and price...not
even close. Only the C&C 34XL CB is a true contender.
But I'll give you yet ANOTHER chance. Here's the criteria...pretty
basic and easy to find these days if you're willing to spend 150K or
more....

34-36 foot boat built after 1988
PHRF below 140 (aprox)-quick boat)
AFT CABIN
SWIM PLATFORM
Draft under 6 feet
Cost under 75K

Go ahead, Doug. Your last list had one or more features missing from
EVERY boat. Even I could do better. Show us you're not a liar!!!

RB
35s5
NY

I just typed those parameters into Yachtworld and got 249 boats (No
PHRF) but certainly lots of boats. Even a bunch of 35s5.

Big selection of Benehuntalinas in that price range. All pretty much
the same.

Gaz

According to several French
forums............................................ ..

Well there you go. That settles it.

But weed out the ones that don't have:

an aft cabin
swim platform
PHRF less than 140
cruising accomodations

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
to find more than a couple of boats that combine her performance and
accomodations per foot.



Malarkey. Want me to publish the list again?


"Capt" Rob wrote:
Doug, you are a LIAR.

No, I'm not. Just Google it up.

... You NEVER posted a list (outside of a few
examples) that can do what the 35s5 does at her size and price...not
even close. Only the C&C 34XL CB is a true contender.

That's because you don't know beans about boats.

Starting with a list from my database of 475 racer/cruiser
type boats between 34' and 38', the Ben 35s5 was #191 for
speed. Going down the list we find a lot more with lower
PHRF ratings, so we end up with 268 boats comparable or
faster than the Ben-35s5.

Then we sort for draft, which important in a boat's
practical use. I like shallow draft myself. Unfortunately it
rules out some really nice boats that Boobsie never heard
of, like the Finngulf, Najad, CS-36, Grand Soleil, etc etc.
Now we're down to 171 boats, some of them custom designs.

Which of these boats have swim platforms? Any of them could
have, with about a weekend's worth of skilled labor (which
of course Boobsie can't supply). Many of them have open
transoms. Aft cabins? Most of them have something
comparable, and I have no way of guessing, other than to
remove boats which I know don't have one. Price? Shucks it'a
a buyers market. Besides, Boobsie is always bragging about
how rich he is. I did take off a few really high priced
boats like the Alerion Express 38 and the Morris 38.

BTW this turns out to be about 150 boats

AERODYNE 38
LUAU 350
SPARHAWK 35
SeaQuest 36
MIR 34
Cape Fear 38
TOUCAN 35
C&C 110
Spirit 37
Dehler DB-1
FINNGULF 335
THOMAS 35
Kirie Feeling 36
Bianca 360
Mirage 338
J-37 W
Olson 34
Bavaria 35 Exclusive
C&C 34R
SIROCCO 38
Kirie Elite 37
Ticon 34
Dufour 34
BENETEAU 361
Helena 38
Beneteau First 36s7
Sigma 36
OMEGA 36
Dehler DB-2
FEELING 364/1090
HUNTER Legend 37.5
Forna
J-34C
DUFOUR 35
BENETEAU FIRST 38s5
Alerion Express 38
FEELING 346 DI
NONSUCH 36
Van De Stadt 34
Express 34
HERITAGE 37 MK II
Jeanneau Sun Rise 33
Jeanneau Selection
FINNGULF 38
C&C 34+
Baltic 35
Hunter 37-2
CONTEST 36 S
ETAP 38
Hughes 38
Elan 36
HALLBERG-RASSY 34
Abbott 36
Hunter 35.5
FREEDOM 35
Santana 37
FREEDOM 36
Baltic 35 TM
OCEANIS 36 CC
MARINER POLARIS 36
JEANNEAU SUN 37.1
Orion 35/79
PEREGRINE 36
SCHOCK 34 PC
CABO RICO 38
WESTERLY OCEAN 33
HJB CUMULANT 38
Nightwind 35
ENDEAVOUR 37
Ericson 38-2 SD
Sabre 38 MKII
HUNTER 340
Morgan 364
Frers 33
Santana 35
EVASION 36
Tartan 37-3
VISION 36
Ericson 36
ISLAND PACKET 35
Peterson 34
Catalina 36 TM M
Seidlemann 37
JEANNEAU 36.2
HANS CHRISTIAN 38 MKII
CONTEST 38 S
GIBSEA 362
J-34
C&C 35-1
VICTORIA 38
Hunter 36-2 WK
SIROCCO 36
Tartan 33
Hunter 336
SUNSAIL HUNTER 336
Tartan 34
Schock 34PC
BAVARIA 36
APHRODITE 36
Beneteau 355
Avance 36
Waquiez Pretorian 35
Sweden 34
C&C 37
Sweden 36
WEST COR 30
Beneteau 35.5 W
S2 10.3
VIK 33
Scanmar 345
MOODY 376
Tartan 34-2
CENT 38
Galatea
CAL 36
O'DAY 37
DUFOUR 36 CLASSIC
C&C 36
Cal 35
CALIBER 35 LRC
SOUTHERLY 110
LITTLE HARBOR 38
Sweden 340
Elite 36
CS 34
JEANNEAU 33
Dehler 34
Soverel 37
MOOD 376
MOODY 38
GSOL 36
Seidlemann 37
Pearson 36
O'Day 35 SD
O'Day 34
O'Day 35
Scanmar 35 CC
Albin 35
Sabre 34 CB
CLEARWATER 35
Island Packet 370
Baltic 37
Scanmar 33
SPIRIT
Swan 371
Hunter 37
Islander 36
S2 11.0
CLEARWATER 36
Irwin 38 CB
FINN 351
Pearson 36-2
Waquiez 38

According to several French
forums............................................ ..


Well there you go. That settles it.

You're right. Now we know that you're more than an asshole. You're a
prejudice one as well.

RB
35s5
NY

BTW this turns out to be about 150 boats

I told you! Doug put up the same list of boats that don't fit the basic
specs I listed. And in today's market an aft cabin and swim platform
are COMMON. But not in 1990. Hell no.
Now weed out the boats that are without an aft cabin. Most of them are
gone. Spare us the BS about building one. Also weed out the boats with
draft over 6 feet and with no aft cabin. Now remove the boats that are
slower than the 35s5 or are appreciably older. You have NO list Doug.
All you did was post a list of boats that don't match the 35s5 for the
BASIC feature set I listed.
The sad fact is that you're not willing to admit that in 1990 not a
whole lot of 35 footers with good speed had cabins like the 35s5. Fewer
still had swim platforms. They're just rare, especially in the
US...more common in Europe.
Thanks again, Doug. You struck out.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
I told you! Doug put up the same list of boats that don't fit the basic
specs I listed.

Yes, they all do, except that a number of them may or may
not have aft cabins (but even so would have comparable
accomodation).

DSK