"DSK" wrote in message
...
Education drives unions and low skilled labor away. Send jobs for
the ignorant to China

Right , you think the Chinese are stupid and un-educated?


Bob Crantz wrote:
As long as they stay in factory jobs.


Not everybody in China works in a factory!

Some work in restaraunts! Or pulling rickshaws!



Your in for a rude awakening, I know of many high tech products being
designed on US software by Chinese optical engineers in china for US
made products. Why pay a Phd or Master's degreed engineer here 150K
when you can find one in China for 30K.


The only postgrad engineers I know of making $150K are ones
on the Board of Directors of the companies they work for.

Or own their own company.


Joe, you're dreaming again.


Engineers in the US don't make 150K with either a PhD or Masters. In
fact,
engineers salaries remain pretty flat after 5 years. So what are these
high
tech products? What is the software?

I'd like to know, too.
I know a number of Chinese engineers who are moving back to
China because they can make more money there.

I also know of engineers who left the country for higher pay and better
working conditions.





Look at America's highest paid groups:

Movie stars/ entertainers: generally high school education, only Bill
Cosby
has PhD.

Athletes: college educated, usually in some goof ball major.

Corporate CEO's : some are educated, Bill Gates did not finish college.
Education is not really a factor.

So why would someone who is smart want to work so hard for relatively so
little? An experienced engineer may make 1.5 - 2 times what the UPS guy
makes with no overtime pay and work 60 hours/week. An
entertainer/athlete/CEO makes 10-500 times what an engineer makes for
the
same work hours.

America needs less engineers and scientists.

Hmmm, an interesting conclusion.

The pay is low because the supply is great. The claims of engineer shortage
is misleading. There are plenty of engineers. The shortage is of ones that
are real cheap.

Look through the engineering ads. How often do you see one asking for 20-30
years experience? 99% want entry level or 5-7 years tops.

It's the employers that cry about shortages. They don't want to pay and they
don't want to (God forbid!) invest in training or education.

If there were less engineers and scientists, there would be less
unemployment.




DSK

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
So your saying axles are now obsolete?

Joe


Take a look at cars. Most are front wheel drive with independent suspension.
Vehicles are designed to last longer, even American ones. You can only build
so many cars. The Dana axles are for trucks and large SUV's.

Amen!

Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote:
....

You probably also frequent Dunkin Donuts without realizing it's owned
by the French.


Nope - it was just sold back to the US; the agreement was last week to
be finalize in Q1. The lead buyer is Bain Capital, the Boston based
venture firm created by Mitt Romney.

Doug, I own a recruiting firm that places engineers.
If you like..... I will be happy to send you information to your
e-mail account.


Joe

In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
Engineers in the US don't make 150K with either a PhD or Masters. In fact,
engineers salaries remain pretty flat after 5 years. So what are these high
tech products? What is the software?

Actually, they do around here.

America needs less engineers and scientists.

Fewer not less.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Joe wrote:

Doug, I own a recruiting firm that places engineers.
If you like..... I will be happy to send you information to your
e-mail account.



OK

Make sure you include the ones specifying Masters+ and
paying $150K and up.

Got my email addy?

DSK

Have another?

Joe

Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote:
On 20 Dec 2005 09:50:54 -0800, "Joe" wrote:


England .........our allies... and I bought it used. Has a Ford Main
engine BTW and all new American made sails.

How about you Frenchie?
Joe


For starters, your boat was positively NOT made in England. It was
also not made in the US. I did the research and found out where a boat
virtually identical to yours was built, and it sure wasn't from
England!

Were you aware that "American" cars have a large percentage of parts
made in mostly Asian countries? A LARGE percentage.

Same goes for Harley.

Unless your boat has been repowered since it was brought to the States
as an IMPORT, the Ford engine was not U.S. made. They have plants all
over the world.

Chances are excellent that your "American made" sails were cut and
stitched here out of materials made in another country.

You probably also frequent Dunkin Donuts without realizing it's owned
by the French.


Commodore Joe Redcloud©
Do Americans make any consumer products these days? I know you have it
all over bombs, guns and spaceships but what about ordinary stuff?

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
...
In article . net,
Bob Crantz wrote:
Engineers in the US don't make 150K with either a PhD or Masters. In
fact,
engineers salaries remain pretty flat after 5 years. So what are these
high
tech products? What is the software?

Actually, they do around here.

You're right but it is the cost of living (housing) that drives up the
salaries there. Houses cost triple and salaries go up 50%.

America needs less engineers and scientists.

Fewer not less.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

What kind of engineers?



"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Doug, I own a recruiting firm that places engineers.
If you like..... I will be happy to send you information to your
e-mail account.


Joe