"DSK" wrote in message
...
: "J B" wrote...
: You gentlemen need to learn the terms of
sailing. When steering the
: marks
: it's a header or a lift, not feather up or
down or whatever, steer
: according to the wind.... make headway when
you can and adjust
: accordingly.
:
: Umm... no. Think velocity, not shifts.
:
: A header or lift is a change in the winds
direction, relative to which
: tack you are one. Feathering (as I've always
heard it used) is when you
: get a gust and head a little higher to depower
the boat and gain some
: distance to windward, rather than either heel
more or ease the sail.
:

Feathering can be used to take a 'bite' up wind.
Always sail on the lifted tack. And when you do
get a puff, "ease - hike - trim" are the words to
live by. Generally, a puff is going to stall the
sail. Ease to re-attach the flow, hike to flatten
the boat, trim back in.

:
: Capt.Mooron wrote:
: What the hell... you think you have the
monopoly on correct sailing
: terminology for the entire planet?
:
:
: Maybe he does.
:
: The Captain I learned to sail with used to
refer to "Pinching & Pumping"....
: falling off to gain speed and heading up to
make point in light air. It also
: worked great in gusty conditions when reefing
was not practical for a short
: run.
:
: Basically... terminology is fine around the
club house... but you can see a
: real sailor by how he moves his boat.
:
:
: True.

Or not. Pumping is not the same as pinching and
footing as Mooron says. ISAF won't let you get
away with pumping.

:
:
: Unlike most... I've sailed a 30 ft full keel
sloop for a year without an
: engine. Now that teaches you how to handle a
vessel much better than a
: hundred books on polars and technical jargon.
Don't believe me... try
: sailing from a lee dock in 20kts with vessels
astern and ahead.
:
: Is that difficult or something?
:
:
: ... I had no
: choice but to sail to a slip. I set anchor
under sail and learned to plan my
: entry and exits.
:
:
: Well, good. The next step is to get a tippy
hi-performance dinghy and
: learn to sail it without embarassment. If you
value heavy weather
: skills, an afternoon of sailing a 14'
crew-ballasted centerboarder in 20
: knots will teach you more than years of sailing
a heavy 30 footer in
: much stronger winds.

Or, try a 17' Thistle.

:
: Fresh Breezes- Doug King
:

NotPony wrote:
Feathering can be used to take a 'bite' up wind.
Always sail on the lifted tack. And when you do
get a puff, "ease - hike - trim" are the words to
live by. Generally, a puff is going to stall the
sail. Ease to re-attach the flow, hike to flatten
the boat, trim back in.


Ease to open the leach, yes.

A lot of people simply cleat the mainsheet & ride along, and only ease
when the boat is overpowered to the point of losing steering; that's
more what I meant.

If the boat is balanced & sailing well, close-hauled, and you get a gust
an don't move the tiller... the boat will heel over, the balance will
shift, and the boat will head up on it's own. Then if the gust dies, it
loses heel and the balnace shifts the opposite way... should bear away
back to the course it was on previously. This is not *the* fastest way
to sail, but it's faster than many helmsman can get the boat to windward.


: ... an afternoon of sailing a 14'
crew-ballasted centerboarder in 20
: knots will teach you more than years of sailing
a heavy 30 footer in
: much stronger winds.

Or, try a 17' Thistle.


Same thing

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
...

:
: A lot of people simply cleat the mainsheet &
ride along, and only ease
: when the boat is overpowered to the point of
losing steering; that's
: more what I meant.
:
: If the boat is balanced & sailing well,
close-hauled, and you get a gust
: an don't move the tiller... the boat will heel
over, the balance will
: shift, and the boat will head up on it's own.
Then if the gust dies, it
: loses heel and the balnace shifts the opposite
way... should bear away
: back to the course it was on previously. This is
not *the* fastest way
: to sail, but it's faster than many helmsman can
get the boat to windward.
:

The kids all complain when we take their rudders
off, but at the end of the day, the ones who could
sail the course without a rudder are the one who
win.
:

DSK wrote:
NotPony wrote:

Feathering can be used to take a 'bite' up wind.
Always sail on the lifted tack. And when you do
get a puff, "ease - hike - trim" are the words to
live by. Generally, a puff is going to stall the
sail. Ease to re-attach the flow, hike to flatten
the boat, trim back in.


Ease to open the leach, yes.
When you get a puff, the apparent wind moves back (lift) because boat
speed becomes less as a percentage of true wind speed so you ease to
properly trim then hike to keep her flat then come up to the same
apparent wind as before. Most puffs can be seen as lifts.

A lot of people simply cleat the mainsheet & ride along, and only ease
when the boat is overpowered to the point of losing steering; that's
more what I meant.

If the boat is balanced & sailing well, close-hauled, and you get a gust
an don't move the tiller... the boat will heel over, the balance will
shift, and the boat will head up on it's own. Then if the gust dies, it
loses heel and the balnace shifts the opposite way... should bear away
back to the course it was on previously. This is not *the* fastest way
to sail, but it's faster than many helmsman can get the boat to windward.


: ... an afternoon of sailing a 14'
crew-ballasted centerboarder in 20
: knots will teach you more than years of sailing
a heavy 30 footer in
: much stronger winds.

Or, try a 17' Thistle.


Same thing

DSK

"NotPony" wrote in message

Or not. Pumping is not the same as pinching and
footing as Mooron says. ISAF won't let you get
away with pumping.

Yeah but I wasn't quoting an ISAF member... Just pointing out terminology
difeferences based reigonal variances. Out here a dock is called a stage.

CM