"Capt. Rob" wrote in message


From the perspective of a designer and sailor, performance equates to
the widest range of directional velocity or VMG.

Performance is not
all about speed...with cars or boats.

Am I the only one who notes a bit of contradiction here?

Max

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

How can you have the "best performing boat here"
if you just stated the only Loco and Donal have
true performance boats?

Actually, Donal may have a slight performance edge...hard to say. His
boat is fast. Very close based on what I've been reading. Loco's boat
is not far behind at all. No one has anything close.

Well, I'd dump that dog of a Beneteau fer sure.

Max

"Jeff" wrote in message news:F-

Nice troll, Boobie, especially quoting a presumably "famous" book without
attribution.

He probably wrote it, Jeff.

Max

Am I the only one who notes a bit of contradiction here?


Probably, Maxiprop. If performance was only about speed we all be
driving dragsters and hydrofoils.


RB
35s5
NY

But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from

owners, as I have.

yada yada yada


Translation: I don't want to learn anything that might prove me wrong!
The info is out there, Jeff. Are you man enough to get it? Polars mean
little. The 35s5 is noted to outperform it's polars just like the 36.7
does with hi tech sails. On the other hand there's a thread online
about how the PDQ CAN'T sail to it's polars! Wanna see it?

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...
35s5....a square rigged boat!

Now that's funny! The longer you sail the funnier you get.

35s5....a square rigged boat!


Now that's funny! The longer you sail the funnier you get.


Proof at last that Loco and Jeff have never sailed. They are humorless!

RB
35s5...a boat that likes to laugh...at other boats!
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
But you might be better served by the facts and actual experiences from

owners, as I have.

yada yada yada


Translation: I don't want to learn anything that might prove me wrong!

Translation: you're trying to "gain points" by pushing an argument
that was conceded on day one. Your boat goes upwind well and points
well.

However, that is not the only criterion that boats are judged by, at
least for most people.

Further, you keep claiming that "pointing" is all that counts, even if
VMG is reduced. You show your total ignorance of sailing. Where are
those benny polars that show hull speed at 30 degrees true?

The info is out there, Jeff. Are you man enough to get it? Polars mean
little.

They mean a lot booby. Its only in your fantasy world where salesmen
are more definitive then sailors, bar room chatter more believable
than polars.

The 35s5 is noted to outperform it's polars just like the 36.7
does with hi tech sails.

Sure booby, whatever you say. One day you claim your boat regularly
outperforms its rating, then you claim they can't win because the
rating is artificially low. Now you claiming that you boats are
always better then their polars, everyone else's are worse. I suppose
there are things you can do to make a go 1% faster. Why should I
care? Why do you care? You don't race!


On the other hand there's a thread online
about how the PDQ CAN'T sail to it's polars! Wanna see it?


Sure, I'd love to. I'd love to see my polars. Of course, its
probably going to show something we already know, like overloading a
cat will slow it down, or that most cruising cats are bought by people
who like to cruise and don't really care about polars? Or that some
cat owners are interested in very high speed, and so think the PDQ is
slow by comparison? Or that some cat owners don't know how to sail
their boat? I can find a thread that asserts 8 knots at 45 degrees
true. I'm skeptical, but who knows?

Translation: you're trying to "gain points" by pushing an argument
that was conceded on day one. Your boat goes upwind well and points
well.


Whoo hooo! I win, I win!!!!


One day you claim your boat regularly
outperforms its rating, then you claim they can't win because the
rating is artificially low.

Why must you lie? Can't you make a single real point? This has gone
quite badly for you. You've exposed yourself and the poor PDQ 36, which
is getting bitch slapped because you can't defend it. WHAT I SAID WAS,
the 35s5 rating is a problem for some because she's often crewed with
crews of more experience. That makes it tough on the occasional racer.


Where are
those benny polars that show hull speed at 30 degrees true?


Wow, you have no shame, eh? Feeling pretty desperate aren't ya? Never
ever did I say the 35s5 could sail at 30 degrees true.

RB
35s5
NY

Capt. Rob wrote:
Translation: you're trying to "gain points" by pushing an argument
that was conceded on day one. Your boat goes upwind well and points
well.


Whoo hooo! I win, I win!!!!

Nope. You're stuck with the boat. You better sell it quick, because
if you actually use it, its value will tank.



One day you claim your boat regularly
outperforms its rating, then you claim they can't win because the
rating is artificially low.

Why must you lie? Can't you make a single real point?

A lie??? You were quite explicit that the rating for you benny will
be lower than its design would imply because it attracted professional
crews. You can deny it, but your posts are there. You even said that
the ratings are skewed towards lesser boats: "The more serious boat
needs a serious crew at times to beat it's less seriously crewed cousins."

This has gone quite badly for you.

You think? It seems like everyone here agrees with me and thinks
you're a buffoon! You have to make up fictional supporters, and quote
marketing brochures. Now you're even claiming I lied about your
posts, when they're right here for everyone to see.

You've exposed yourself and the poor PDQ 36, which
is getting bitch slapped because you can't defend it.

right booby. Why don't you sail up here and show me? Oh, right, you
don't do overnights because that would be horrific. Why don't you
have it trucked up here and show me? But don't bother, I'll probably
be off sailing!


WHAT I SAID WAS,
the 35s5 rating is a problem for some because she's often crewed with
crews of more experience. That makes it tough on the occasional racer.

Why is that? If the rating is fair then the only difference is that
the better crew probably sails better. You were explicit: the rating
is lower than it should be because it "attracted" better sailors. Or
that the rating of "lesser" boats was higher because they were sailed
by less skilled owners. You said: "they all said we'd have to sail
the 35s5 with far more skill than an old Ericson, Columbia or Pearson
to win" because the ratings were skewed.

Sorry booby, you're completely busted on this. Like all of your claims.




Where are
those benny polars that show hull speed at 30 degrees true?


Wow, you have no shame, eh? Feeling pretty desperate aren't ya? Never
ever did I say the 35s5 could sail at 30 degrees true.

OK, what you said was:
Actually the polars for my boat
show 6.5 knots at 35 degrees, but owners do better with the newer
sails of course, claiming hull speed even closer to the wind

So lets see those polars, boobie. I'm not even doubting that you can
point up pretty high, what I've been saying, and you seem too ignorant
to understand, that the VMG improvement is tiny, and probably doesn't
cover the added leeway.

All you've done by pursuing this is to show your ignorance in the one
area that you claim superiority. Thats sounds like pretty poor
performance to me.