In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial.

Yup, in most cases. In this case the owner and I came to an agreement
and I put down a small deposit, signed contract for deal pending
survey. But we had a pretty honest discussion and both knew the market.
Nobody wanted to play hardball to save 60 cents. We got a very good
deal and the boat is simply one of a kind due to her condition. Surveys
are cheaper in Florida!

Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.
Didn't you just say that you didn't have an offer on the table before
the survey?

Seems like the honesty of the discussion has little to do with what
the survey would find. It's never a bad thing to tell the owner that
you're not interested in cheaping out, but you said yourself that
there were issues that the surveyor found and that were then
negotiated.

How much do they go for in Florida? Out here, they're a couple of
hundred, maybe a bit more for something truly immense. We had one done
for the Yamaha 30, which I believe was $300. The Cal 39 was about
$350 I think.



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Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.
Didn't you just say that you didn't have an offer on the table before
the survey?


No. The OWNER and I had an offer we agreed on. Doug was claiming that
we shouldn't have made an offer before survey. Who does that? What doug
doesn't get is I did my own pre-purchase survey. I didn't fly to
Florida to just look at the boat. I sounded her decks and checked every
system. I made my offer based on that. As it turned out my survey was
every bit as good as the professional one. I missed two bad hoses
because I didn't climb into the sail locker.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...

. As it turned out my survey was
every bit as good as the professional one.

Except for the sail, right?

I missed two good hoses
because I didn't climb into the sail locker.

I bet you're sad about that.


RB
35s5
NY

In article .com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.
Didn't you just say that you didn't have an offer on the table before
the survey?


No. The OWNER and I had an offer we agreed on. Doug was claiming that
we shouldn't have made an offer before survey. Who does that? What doug
doesn't get is I did my own pre-purchase survey. I didn't fly to
Florida to just look at the boat. I sounded her decks and checked every
system. I made my offer based on that. As it turned out my survey was
every bit as good as the professional one. I missed two bad hoses
because I didn't climb into the sail locker.

I don't think Doug was claiming that. I think he was saying, as I am,
that one needs to make an official offer before having a survey. It
sounds like you did that.

Anyone can do an inspection if the owner is agreeable, but that's not
the same thing as a surveyor doing it. There are some things that a
surveyor won't look for too. But, you do need it to get insurance. For
example, when we are approached with a donation boat, a couple of us
take a detailed look. If it passes that, then we accept the donation
contingent upon the survey. This gives us and the person donating a
value for the tax man. If we were going to buy a boat, we would do the
same thing, but prior to the survey we would create a formal offer.

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
I missed two bad hoses
because I couldn't fit into the sail locker.

I thought you said it had lots of room...????

CM

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.

Do you really think so?
Sounds like more waffling & backpedaling to me, Bubbles doesn't know
diddley about the process of buying a boat because he's never bought
one. But he has heard people talking about surveys, so he thought he
should get one too.



How much do they go for in Florida? Out here, they're a couple of
hundred, maybe a bit more for something truly immense. We had one done
for the Yamaha 30, which I believe was $300. The Cal 39 was about
$350 I think.


Over here they charge by the foot or by the day. I should think any
surveyor in Florida worth a hoot is probably busy with insurance claims
on hurricane boats right now. It sounds like surveys are cheaper where
you are.

BTW I'm bummed nobody had a comment about the Swan!

DSK

In article ,
DSK wrote:
Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.

Do you really think so?
Sounds like more waffling & backpedaling to me, Bubbles doesn't know
diddley about the process of buying a boat because he's never bought
one. But he has heard people talking about surveys, so he thought he
should get one too.

I don't know. I'm totally confused at this point. The latest post from
Bob claims that you didn't think an offer should be made prior to
survey. Did I get that right? I can't imagine it. No broker out here
would allow that.

How much do they go for in Florida? Out here, they're a couple of
hundred, maybe a bit more for something truly immense. We had one done
for the Yamaha 30, which I believe was $300. The Cal 39 was about
$350 I think.

Over here they charge by the foot or by the day. I should think any
surveyor in Florida worth a hoot is probably busy with insurance claims
on hurricane boats right now. It sounds like surveys are cheaper where
you are.

I thought they did out here, but we have a standing relationship with
a broker, so I'm not sure how he's giving us a discount for volume.

BTW I'm bummed nobody had a comment about the Swan!

I like Swans. :-)
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Sounds like more waffling & backpedaling to me, Bubbles doesn't know
diddley about the process of buying a boat because he's never bought
one. But he has heard people talking about surveys, so he thought he
should "get" one too.


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
I don't know. I'm totally confused at this point. The latest post from
Bob claims that you didn't think an offer should be made prior to
survey.

???
I never said anything like that

No broker out here
would allow that.


I'm not sure, but paying for a survey with no offer accepted would be
stupid... hey wait, this is Boobsie after all...

DSK

In article ,
DSK wrote:
Sounds like more waffling & backpedaling to me, Bubbles doesn't know
diddley about the process of buying a boat because he's never bought
one. But he has heard people talking about surveys, so he thought he
should "get" one too.


Jonathan Ganz wrote:
I don't know. I'm totally confused at this point. The latest post from
Bob claims that you didn't think an offer should be made prior to
survey.

???
I never said anything like that

No broker out here
would allow that.


I'm not sure, but paying for a survey with no offer accepted would be
stupid... hey wait, this is Boobsie after all...

Well, out here they would just laugh and assume you were either not a
serious buyer or were unfamiliar with the process. The Cal Dept. of
Boating and Waterways even has a brochure that describes the
procedure.... http://dbw.ca.gov/Pubs/UsedBoat/index.htm


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