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The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey. Part of the problem was her location of course. It would be
tough to fight over the price and I wanted to keep things freindly. As
I had gone over the boat carefully(But not the bottom as she was in the
water), I knew I'd probably found the diamond I was looking for. We
settled on 59K pending survey and I promised that I wouldn't nickle and
dime over little things. As it turned out...new fuel hose and waste
hose were suggested and that was it.
BUT, the Mylar mainsail had delamination. Not bad, but a repair
wouldn't last forever and I felt the sail was a 4 out of 10 at best. We
agreed I could get a used mylar main for 2000.00 or a new regular main
from Doyle and the price of the boat was adjusted for that. The owner
still felt bad about the main and paid 350 bucks to have it repaired
anyway. The Mylar headsails were well shaped, but somewhat dirty. Oh
well. The two Doyle chutes were as new. The dacron 120% was in good
condition, a 7 out 10 perhaps. All of her standing rod rigging was
replaced 9 months ago. The surveyor felt the seacock for sink and air
conditioner were in a bad location and the owner paid to have better
access via a new removable panel. The Charles charger was also acting
funny...but I have a new unused 30 amp unit in my closet. On a 92
degree day the interior was quite cold even with the hatches
open...19000 BTUs is a nice thing! All of the portlights had NO crazing
as they had canvas covers protecting them! There was even one for the
lexan companionway hatch with a zipper down cover. A new dodger and
bimini were never installed and our wrapped up in his garage! Her
engine started instantly and ran smoothly. Engine/shaft alignment was
noted to be excellent and there was about the same level of vibration I
noted on my friend's Tayana 48 DS.
The surveyor said she was probably the best 35s5 on the market and of
course I already knew that. We quickly arranged shipping and closed.
After speaking to other 35s5 owners who bought boats over the past 3
years we paid less and got a boat in simply amazing shape. Nothing I
can say will show this properly until I post pics. Her interior and
topsides look almost unused! All of her running rigging, Air
conditioner, electronics and so on are recent or new. Survey value was
set just below 70K and she has been insured for that amount.
Her owner was at the helm of Ted Turner's winning boat during Fastnet
1979. He's a local legend down there. When I mentioned the boat and his
name to the folks at Doyle and UK they all knew and had raced with him.
At 73 he's keeping his Tartan 10. This was his second 35s5, but a bad
hip and knee make it a tough go, so he decided to sell. I'm grateful
for the upgrades and care he's shown the boat and passed on to me. My
buddy who used to work at my yard took a look at her yesterday and said
"My god, looks like a new boat!" He's not overstating her condition.
It's really quite amazing.
That's it, folks. She's ours. We wrote a check, dropped the Doc and
registered her at DMV today. If all goes smoothly, she'll be offloaded
at my yard on the 23rd. And then it'll be a long winter waiting for the
Spring! Pictures will be posted shortly...probably on the 22nd when we
get back and then on the 23rd when she comes home!


Robert B
35s5
NY

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Capt. Rob wrote:

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??




Her owner was at the helm of Ted Turner's winning boat during Fastnet
1979. He's a local legend down there. When I mentioned the boat and his
name to the folks at Doyle and UK they all knew and had raced with him.
At 73 he's keeping his Tartan 10.

Uh huh. Name please?

BTW if you were actually not full of crap, and wealthy as you like to
pretend, you'd be thinking about a boat like this:

http://blackrockyc.com/Moondance%20Listing.htm

Of course, it's a really really nice boat, probably too good for you.

DSK

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All of her standing rod rigging was replaced 9 months ago.

And what was the reason for that? Rod usually lasts the life of the
boat. Only thing owners MIGHT do after a long period of time is have
the heads redone. I think your full of crap.

35s5 Details... now *here* is a NICE boat
 

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??



Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.
There are plenty of ways to make a deal and who you're dealing with has
a lot to do with it. The professional survey found very little that I
missed and the owner comped on every item. When a boat is like new, you
don't have to be a prick about the buying process. And we still got a
better deal than anyone else has on 35s5's not even close to this
condition. My offer was still pending survey and the survey estimated
value of 69K would not have helped me at all. I knew that as soon as I
did the survey. If you know what you're doing and find a creampuff, you
should know that a glowing survey can COST you. I correctly made a low
offer prior to a survey I anticipated. Now you could always talk to the
surveyor about lowballing the value, but then you might have a tough
time getting a nice insurance package to match her "real" value.
And so it goes. I always advise buyers to understand that surveyors can
work for and against you...they walk a fine line. Doug, you have to
think it through. Now go find me a better 35s5 for even the original
asking price of 64.9K. Keep in mind that I have checked on most of
them.

RB
35s5
NY

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http://blackrockyc.com/Moondance%20Listing.htm


Of course, it's a really really nice boat, probably too good for you.



Not too good, just too soon. The 35s5 fits perfectly for now. We're
planning a liveaboard next.

RB
35s5
NY

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In article ,
DSK wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??


The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial. You also have to put
a small, but refundable deposit down, then increase it in due
course... forget the details on the timing.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

35s5 Details... now *here* is a NICE boat
 

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??



Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.
There are plenty of ways to make a deal and who you're dealing with has
a lot to do with it. The professional survey found very little that I
missed and the owner comped on every item. When a boat is like new, you
don't have to be a prick about the buying process. And we still got a
better deal than anyone else has on 35s5's not even close to this
condition. My offer was still pending survey and the survey estimated
value of 69K would not have helped me at all. I knew that as soon as I
did the survey. If you know what you're doing and find a creampuff, you
should know that a glowing survey can COST you. I correctly made a low
offer prior to a survey I anticipated. Now you could always talk to the
surveyor about lowballing the value, but then you might have a tough
time getting a nice insurance package to match her "real" value.
And so it goes. I always advise buyers to understand that surveyors can
work for and against you...they walk a fine line. Doug, you have to
think it through. Now go find me a better 35s5 for even the original
asking price of 64.9K. Keep in mind that I have checked on most of
them.

Bob, I hope you have a license for this sort of thing. If there were a
problem, and one or more of the parties decided to sue, you could be
in big trouble. Not sure what the laws are out there, but here you
have to have a brokerage license to broker a deal.

I've never heard of an accredited surveyor willing to lowball the
value. They have their names on the line, and I would doubt that they
would do such a thing.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

35s5 Details... now *here* is a NICE boat
 

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??


Capt. Rob wrote:
Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.

Yeah, right. Whatever you say.

If you pay for a survey before getting an offer accepted, then you're
out of pocket the cost of the survey and somebody else can have an offer
accepted while your surveyor is on board the boat. Then you're out of luck.

Or in your case, the seller could realize what a dildo-head you are, and
refuse to sell you the boat.

Not that you've ever actually bought (or sailed) a boat, of course, I
mean who would believe that?

DSK

35s5 Details... now *here* is a NICE boat
 

The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial.

Yup, in most cases. In this case the owner and I came to an agreement
and I put down a small deposit, signed contract for deal pending
survey. But we had a pretty honest discussion and both knew the market.
Nobody wanted to play hardball to save 60 cents. We got a very good
deal and the boat is simply one of a kind due to her condition. Surveys
are cheaper in Florida!

RB
35s5
NY

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"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey. Part of the problem was her location of course. It would be
tough to fight over the price and I wanted to keep things freindly. As
I had gone over the boat carefully(But not the bottom as she was in the
water), I knew I'd probably found the diamond I was looking for. We
settled on 59K pending survey and I promised that I wouldn't nickle and
dime over little things. As it turned out...new fuel hose and waste
hose were suggested and that was it.

The broker claims it went for $64,500. Check the website.


BUT, the Mylar mainsail had delamination. Not bad, but a repair
wouldn't last forever and I felt the sail was a 4 out of 10 at best. We
agreed I could get a used mylar main for 2000.00 or a new regular main
from Doyle and the price of the boat was adjusted for that.

You just claimed you went over the boat thoroughly above the waterline. Plus
you sailed it and THEN the surveyor found a delaminated sail??????

The owner
still felt bad about the main and paid 350 bucks to have it repaired
anyway. The Mylar headsails were well shaped, but somewhat dirty. Oh
well. The two Doyle chutes were as new. The dacron 120% was in good
condition, a 7 out 10 perhaps. All of her standing rod rigging was
replaced 9 months ago. The surveyor felt the seacock for sink and air
conditioner were in a bad location and the owner paid to have better
access via a new removable panel. The Charles charger was also acting
funny...but I have a new unused 30 amp unit in my closet. On a 92
degree day the interior was quite cold even with the hatches
open...19000 BTUs is a nice thing! All of the portlights had NO crazing
as they had canvas covers protecting them! There was even one for the
lexan companionway hatch with a zipper down cover. A new dodger and
bimini were never installed and our wrapped up in his garage! Her
engine started instantly and ran smoothly. Engine/shaft alignment was
noted to be excellent and there was about the same level of vibration I
noted on my friend's Tayana 48 DS.

The surveyor said she was probably the best 35s5 on the market and of
course I already knew that.

That's why you were able to talk him down so much!

We quickly arranged shipping and closed.
After speaking to other 35s5 owners who bought boats over the past 3
years we paid less and got a boat in simply amazing shape.

But yet the price was reduced 10% and repairs made! And, in real life, it's
worth about 50% more!!

Nothing I
can say will show this properly until I post pics. Her interior and
topsides look almost unused! All of her running rigging, Air
conditioner, electronics and so on are recent or new. Survey value was
set just below 70K and she has been insured for that amount.

Insurance value is typically 20% above actual value. Common industry
practice.


Her owner was at the helm of Ted Turner's winning boat during Fastnet
1979. He's a local legend down there


Like you are a legend here? Art is a big contributor to the Democratic
Party, but show some proof of this Fastnet claim.

When I mentioned the boat and his
name to the folks at Doyle and UK they all knew and had raced with him.
At 73 he's keeping his Tartan 10. This was his second 35s5, but a bad
hip and knee make it a tough go, so he decided to sell. I'm grateful
for the upgrades and care he's shown the boat and passed on to me.

But yet the price is reduced because it is in pristine condition and worth
more!

My
buddy who used to work at my yard took a look at her yesterday and said
"My god, looks like a new boat!" He's not overstating her condition.
It's really quite amazing.

Yes, and the price was reduced to below market (by 28% insured value)
because it was in pristine condition!!


That's it, folks. She's ours. We wrote a check, dropped the Doc and
registered her at DMV today. If all goes smoothly, she'll be offloaded
at my yard on the 23rd. And then it'll be a long winter waiting for the
Spring! Pictures will be posted shortly...probably on the 22nd when we
get back and then on the 23rd when she comes home!

So why was the rod rigging replaced?? What else is/was wrong???

It has new rigging and the price was reduced!

Liar, liar!!!!!




Robert B
35s5
NY