Capt. Rob wrote:

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??




Her owner was at the helm of Ted Turner's winning boat during Fastnet
1979. He's a local legend down there. When I mentioned the boat and his
name to the folks at Doyle and UK they all knew and had raced with him.
At 73 he's keeping his Tartan 10.

Uh huh. Name please?

BTW if you were actually not full of crap, and wealthy as you like to
pretend, you'd be thinking about a boat like this:

http://blackrockyc.com/Moondance%20Listing.htm

Of course, it's a really really nice boat, probably too good for you.

DSK

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??



Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.
There are plenty of ways to make a deal and who you're dealing with has
a lot to do with it. The professional survey found very little that I
missed and the owner comped on every item. When a boat is like new, you
don't have to be a prick about the buying process. And we still got a
better deal than anyone else has on 35s5's not even close to this
condition. My offer was still pending survey and the survey estimated
value of 69K would not have helped me at all. I knew that as soon as I
did the survey. If you know what you're doing and find a creampuff, you
should know that a glowing survey can COST you. I correctly made a low
offer prior to a survey I anticipated. Now you could always talk to the
surveyor about lowballing the value, but then you might have a tough
time getting a nice insurance package to match her "real" value.
And so it goes. I always advise buyers to understand that surveyors can
work for and against you...they walk a fine line. Doug, you have to
think it through. Now go find me a better 35s5 for even the original
asking price of 64.9K. Keep in mind that I have checked on most of
them.

RB
35s5
NY

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??



Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.
There are plenty of ways to make a deal and who you're dealing with has
a lot to do with it. The professional survey found very little that I
missed and the owner comped on every item. When a boat is like new, you
don't have to be a prick about the buying process. And we still got a
better deal than anyone else has on 35s5's not even close to this
condition. My offer was still pending survey and the survey estimated
value of 69K would not have helped me at all. I knew that as soon as I
did the survey. If you know what you're doing and find a creampuff, you
should know that a glowing survey can COST you. I correctly made a low
offer prior to a survey I anticipated. Now you could always talk to the
surveyor about lowballing the value, but then you might have a tough
time getting a nice insurance package to match her "real" value.
And so it goes. I always advise buyers to understand that surveyors can
work for and against you...they walk a fine line. Doug, you have to
think it through. Now go find me a better 35s5 for even the original
asking price of 64.9K. Keep in mind that I have checked on most of
them.

Bob, I hope you have a license for this sort of thing. If there were a
problem, and one or more of the parties decided to sue, you could be
in big trouble. Not sure what the laws are out there, but here you
have to have a brokerage license to broker a deal.

I've never heard of an accredited surveyor willing to lowball the
value. They have their names on the line, and I would doubt that they
would do such a thing.

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Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??


Capt. Rob wrote:
Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.

Yeah, right. Whatever you say.

If you pay for a survey before getting an offer accepted, then you're
out of pocket the cost of the survey and somebody else can have an offer
accepted while your surveyor is on board the boat. Then you're out of luck.

Or in your case, the seller could realize what a dildo-head you are, and
refuse to sell you the boat.

Not that you've ever actually bought (or sailed) a boat, of course, I
mean who would believe that?

DSK

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
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The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??



Doug, I've negotiated more than 30 closings in the last 15 months.
There are plenty of ways to make a deal and who you're dealing with has
a lot to do with it. The professional survey found very little that I
missed and the owner comped on every item. When a boat is like new, you
don't have to be a prick about the buying process. And we still got a
better deal than anyone else has on 35s5's not even close to this
condition. My offer was still pending survey and the survey estimated
value of 69K would not have helped me at all. I knew that as soon as I
did the survey. If you know what you're doing and find a creampuff, you
should know that a glowing survey can COST you. I correctly made a low
offer prior to a survey I anticipated.


Now you could always talk to the
surveyor about lowballing the value, but then you might have a tough
time getting a nice insurance package to match her "real" value.

If you pay for the survey, he has no duty to disclose anything to the
selling party.

Now I know you are lying!!!!!!



And so it goes. I always advise buyers to understand that surveyors can
work for and against you...they walk a fine line. Doug, you have to
think it through. Now go find me a better 35s5 for even the original
asking price of 64.9K. Keep in mind that I have checked on most of
them.

RB
35s5
NY

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Bob Crantz wrote:
If you pay for the survey, he has no duty to disclose anything to the
selling party.

True, but we've always authorized it as a matter of course. We usually
say up front that if we decide not to accept the boat, the owner gets
the survey and they pay for the haul and splash. Or, they can pay for
the survey and we pay for the haul and splash. It usually works out to
be about the same cost on either side.



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And we still got a
better deal than anyone else has on 35s5's not even close to this
condition.

I guess then that most owners of these boats don't consider them worth
taking care of. OR are most owners of these things just a bunch of
dimwits. Which is it?

In article ,
DSK wrote:
Capt. Rob wrote:

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey.

Excuse me? You normally do a survey before having an accepted offer??


The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial. You also have to put
a small, but refundable deposit down, then increase it in due
course... forget the details on the timing.



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The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial.

Yup, in most cases. In this case the owner and I came to an agreement
and I put down a small deposit, signed contract for deal pending
survey. But we had a pretty honest discussion and both knew the market.
Nobody wanted to play hardball to save 60 cents. We got a very good
deal and the boat is simply one of a kind due to her condition. Surveys
are cheaper in Florida!

RB
35s5
NY

In article . com,
Capt. Rob wrote:
The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial.

Yup, in most cases. In this case the owner and I came to an agreement
and I put down a small deposit, signed contract for deal pending
survey. But we had a pretty honest discussion and both knew the market.
Nobody wanted to play hardball to save 60 cents. We got a very good
deal and the boat is simply one of a kind due to her condition. Surveys
are cheaper in Florida!

Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.
Didn't you just say that you didn't have an offer on the table before
the survey?

Seems like the honesty of the discussion has little to do with what
the survey would find. It's never a bad thing to tell the owner that
you're not interested in cheaping out, but you said yourself that
there were issues that the surveyor found and that were then
negotiated.

How much do they go for in Florida? Out here, they're a couple of
hundred, maybe a bit more for something truly immense. We had one done
for the Yamaha 30, which I believe was $300. The Cal 39 was about
$350 I think.



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