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Capt. Rob wrote:
The brokers I've worked with insist on a written and accepted offer
before you have any kind of survey or sea trial.

Yup, in most cases. In this case the owner and I came to an agreement
and I put down a small deposit, signed contract for deal pending
survey. But we had a pretty honest discussion and both knew the market.
Nobody wanted to play hardball to save 60 cents. We got a very good
deal and the boat is simply one of a kind due to her condition. Surveys
are cheaper in Florida!

Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.
Didn't you just say that you didn't have an offer on the table before
the survey?

Seems like the honesty of the discussion has little to do with what
the survey would find. It's never a bad thing to tell the owner that
you're not interested in cheaping out, but you said yourself that
there were issues that the surveyor found and that were then
negotiated.

How much do they go for in Florida? Out here, they're a couple of
hundred, maybe a bit more for something truly immense. We had one done
for the Yamaha 30, which I believe was $300. The Cal 39 was about
$350 I think.



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.
Didn't you just say that you didn't have an offer on the table before
the survey?


No. The OWNER and I had an offer we agreed on. Doug was claiming that
we shouldn't have made an offer before survey. Who does that? What doug
doesn't get is I did my own pre-purchase survey. I didn't fly to
Florida to just look at the boat. I sounded her decks and checked every
system. I made my offer based on that. As it turned out my survey was
every bit as good as the professional one. I missed two bad hoses
because I didn't climb into the sail locker.

RB
35s5
NY

Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Well, if you signed an offer, then you had one before the survey.

Do you really think so?
Sounds like more waffling & backpedaling to me, Bubbles doesn't know
diddley about the process of buying a boat because he's never bought
one. But he has heard people talking about surveys, so he thought he
should get one too.



How much do they go for in Florida? Out here, they're a couple of
hundred, maybe a bit more for something truly immense. We had one done
for the Yamaha 30, which I believe was $300. The Cal 39 was about
$350 I think.


Over here they charge by the foot or by the day. I should think any
surveyor in Florida worth a hoot is probably busy with insurance claims
on hurricane boats right now. It sounds like surveys are cheaper where
you are.

BTW I'm bummed nobody had a comment about the Swan!

DSK

All of her standing rod rigging was replaced 9 months ago.

And what was the reason for that? Rod usually lasts the life of the
boat. Only thing owners MIGHT do after a long period of time is have
the heads redone. I think your full of crap.

http://blackrockyc.com/Moondance%20Listing.htm


Of course, it's a really really nice boat, probably too good for you.



Not too good, just too soon. The 35s5 fits perfectly for now. We're
planning a liveaboard next.

RB
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey. Part of the problem was her location of course. It would be
tough to fight over the price and I wanted to keep things freindly. As
I had gone over the boat carefully(But not the bottom as she was in the
water), I knew I'd probably found the diamond I was looking for. We
settled on 59K pending survey and I promised that I wouldn't nickle and
dime over little things. As it turned out...new fuel hose and waste
hose were suggested and that was it.

The broker claims it went for $64,500. Check the website.


BUT, the Mylar mainsail had delamination. Not bad, but a repair
wouldn't last forever and I felt the sail was a 4 out of 10 at best. We
agreed I could get a used mylar main for 2000.00 or a new regular main
from Doyle and the price of the boat was adjusted for that.

You just claimed you went over the boat thoroughly above the waterline. Plus
you sailed it and THEN the surveyor found a delaminated sail??????

The owner
still felt bad about the main and paid 350 bucks to have it repaired
anyway. The Mylar headsails were well shaped, but somewhat dirty. Oh
well. The two Doyle chutes were as new. The dacron 120% was in good
condition, a 7 out 10 perhaps. All of her standing rod rigging was
replaced 9 months ago. The surveyor felt the seacock for sink and air
conditioner were in a bad location and the owner paid to have better
access via a new removable panel. The Charles charger was also acting
funny...but I have a new unused 30 amp unit in my closet. On a 92
degree day the interior was quite cold even with the hatches
open...19000 BTUs is a nice thing! All of the portlights had NO crazing
as they had canvas covers protecting them! There was even one for the
lexan companionway hatch with a zipper down cover. A new dodger and
bimini were never installed and our wrapped up in his garage! Her
engine started instantly and ran smoothly. Engine/shaft alignment was
noted to be excellent and there was about the same level of vibration I
noted on my friend's Tayana 48 DS.

The surveyor said she was probably the best 35s5 on the market and of
course I already knew that.

That's why you were able to talk him down so much!

We quickly arranged shipping and closed.
After speaking to other 35s5 owners who bought boats over the past 3
years we paid less and got a boat in simply amazing shape.

But yet the price was reduced 10% and repairs made! And, in real life, it's
worth about 50% more!!

Nothing I
can say will show this properly until I post pics. Her interior and
topsides look almost unused! All of her running rigging, Air
conditioner, electronics and so on are recent or new. Survey value was
set just below 70K and she has been insured for that amount.

Insurance value is typically 20% above actual value. Common industry
practice.


Her owner was at the helm of Ted Turner's winning boat during Fastnet
1979. He's a local legend down there


Like you are a legend here? Art is a big contributor to the Democratic
Party, but show some proof of this Fastnet claim.

When I mentioned the boat and his
name to the folks at Doyle and UK they all knew and had raced with him.
At 73 he's keeping his Tartan 10. This was his second 35s5, but a bad
hip and knee make it a tough go, so he decided to sell. I'm grateful
for the upgrades and care he's shown the boat and passed on to me.

But yet the price is reduced because it is in pristine condition and worth
more!

My
buddy who used to work at my yard took a look at her yesterday and said
"My god, looks like a new boat!" He's not overstating her condition.
It's really quite amazing.

Yes, and the price was reduced to below market (by 28% insured value)
because it was in pristine condition!!


That's it, folks. She's ours. We wrote a check, dropped the Doc and
registered her at DMV today. If all goes smoothly, she'll be offloaded
at my yard on the 23rd. And then it'll be a long winter waiting for the
Spring! Pictures will be posted shortly...probably on the 22nd when we
get back and then on the 23rd when she comes home!

So why was the rod rigging replaced?? What else is/was wrong???

It has new rigging and the price was reduced!

Liar, liar!!!!!




Robert B
35s5
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey. Part of the problem was her location of course. It would be
tough to fight over the price and I wanted to keep things freindly. As
I had gone over the boat carefully(But not the bottom as she was in the
water), I knew I'd probably found the diamond I was looking for. We
settled on 59K pending survey and I promised that I wouldn't nickle and
dime over little things. As it turned out...new fuel hose and waste
hose were suggested and that was it.
BUT, the Mylar mainsail had delamination. Not bad, but a repair
wouldn't last forever and I felt the sail was a 4 out of 10 at best. We
agreed I could get a used mylar main for 2000.00 or a new regular main
from Doyle and the price of the boat was adjusted for that. The owner
still felt bad about the main and paid 350 bucks to have it repaired
anyway. The Mylar headsails were well shaped, but somewhat dirty. Oh
well. The two Doyle chutes were as new. The dacron 120% was in good
condition, a 7 out 10 perhaps. All of her standing rod rigging was
replaced 9 months ago. The surveyor felt the seacock for sink and air
conditioner were in a bad location and the owner paid to have better
access via a new removable panel. The Charles charger was also acting
funny...but I have a new unused 30 amp unit in my closet. On a 92
degree day the interior was quite cold even with the hatches
open...19000 BTUs is a nice thing! All of the portlights had NO crazing
as they had canvas covers protecting them! There was even one for the
lexan companionway hatch with a zipper down cover. A new dodger and
bimini were never installed and our wrapped up in his garage! Her
engine started instantly and ran smoothly. Engine/shaft alignment was
noted to be excellent and there was about the same level of vibration I
noted on my friend's Tayana 48 DS.
The surveyor said she was probably the best 35s5 on the market and of
course I already knew that. We quickly arranged shipping and closed.
After speaking to other 35s5 owners who bought boats over the past 3
years we paid less and got a boat in simply amazing shape. Nothing I
can say will show this properly until I post pics. Her interior and
topsides look almost unused! All of her running rigging, Air
conditioner, electronics and so on are recent or new. Survey value was
set just below 70K and she has been insured for that amount.
Her owner was at the helm of Ted Turner's winning boat during Fastnet
1979. He's a local legend down there. When I mentioned the boat and his
name to the folks at Doyle and UK they all knew and had raced with him.
At 73 he's keeping his Tartan 10. This was his second 35s5, but a bad
hip and knee make it a tough go, so he decided to sell. I'm grateful
for the upgrades and care he's shown the boat and passed on to me. My
buddy who used to work at my yard took a look at her yesterday and said
"My god, looks like a new boat!" He's not overstating her condition.
It's really quite amazing.
That's it, folks. She's ours. We wrote a check, dropped the Doc and
registered her at DMV today. If all goes smoothly, she'll be offloaded
at my yard on the 23rd. And then it'll be a long winter waiting for the
Spring! Pictures will be posted shortly...probably on the 22nd when we
get back and then on the 23rd when she comes home!


Robert B
35s5
NY


Low Retail Average Retail
Base Price

$51,150 $61,600
Options

Sailboat: CANVAS
Mainsail Cover: $60 $70
Sailboat: ELECTRONICS
Battery Charger - 20 Amp-110 Volt: $135 $160
Radio / 25 Watt VHF - Fixed Mount: $140 $170
Wind System Display - Masthead Transducer: $230 $275
Sailboat: GALLEY
Refrigerator - 12 Volt/DC: $290 $345
Sink Package S.S.-Hand Pump - 15 Gallon: $90 $110
Stove - Portable Propane: $60 $70
Sailboat: MISCELLANEOUS OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT
Swim Ladder - Teak: $90 $110

TOTAL PRICE $52,245 $62,910

YOU PAID ON THE HIGH END FOR THAT THING. ADD THE SHIPPING COST AND YOU
OVERPAID!!!!

THOSE ARE FLORIDA PRICES TOO!!!!!!

AAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message

The asking price on the 1990 35s5 was 64'900.00. After seeing what a
creampuff the boat was I decided to discuss an offer prior to the
survey. Part of the problem was her location of course. It would be

snip


Spring! Pictures will be posted shortly...probably on the 22nd when we
get back and then on the 23rd when she comes home!


Robert B
35s5
NY

Everyone else appears to prefer blowing you ****, Bubbles. I'm just going
to say *congratulations.* I think you've acquired a really nice boat. I
checked out the listing, and the boat appears to be in good condition with
acceptable upgrades and improvements. I would agree that it will be a long
winter for you. Enjoy.

Max

$54,770 - $65,925 is the NADA range, but it doesn't include
provisions for the full new canvas package, Air conditiioning and heat
and unusual condition of the vessel. The air conditioning reciepts
alone (just 15 months old) were for 6K. The new bimini and dodger
(never installed) cost 4K. All new rigging....many new
electronics....hatch/port canvas covers...the list is just beyond
anything else on the market and then you just drop when you see her
condition. Or as the survey says....

"Windward First is a very well outfitted example of this model that
shows ample evidence of an ongoing program of care and maintenance. Her
interior spaces are clean and well kept, wiring and plumbing systems
neat and orderly, engine and associated machinery appear nearly new,
and the topsides could easily pass for a five rather than fifteen year
old boat. Her equipment list includes excellent current marine
electronics including autopilot, current safety gear and excellent sail
inventory. Additionally she has marine refrigeration and central marine
conditioning and heating. The overall condition would be considered
outstanding for the age, size, and type.
Inspection of the underbody at haulout, showed good anti-fouling
applied over a relatively smooth and fair surface working well to
inhibit hard marine growth. There was no evidence of osmotic blisters
on or about the underbody, quite remarkable for a boat of this age is
these warm southern waters. This underbody is outstanding and shows its
owners have kept up with service to the underbody.
ESTIMATED FAIR MARKET VALUE $69,500.00
ESTIMATED REPLACEMENT VALUE $155,000.00

Robert B
35s5...the nicest boat on the list! By Far!
NY

"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
oups.com...
$54,770 - $65,925 is the NADA range, but it doesn't include
provisions for the full new canvas package, Air conditiioning and heat
and unusual condition of the vessel. The air conditioning reciepts
alone (just 15 months old) were for 6K. The new bimini and dodger
(never installed) cost 4K. All new rigging....many new
electronics....hatch/port canvas covers...the list is just beyond
anything else on the market and then you just drop when you see her
condition. Or as the survey says....


ESTIMATED FAIR MARKET VALUE $69,500.00
ESTIMATED REPLACEMENT VALUE $155,000.00


replacement cost
Definition

The amount it would cost to replace an asset at current prices. If the cost
of replacing an asset in its current physical condition is lower than the
cost of replacing the asset so as to obtain the level of services enjoyed
when the asset was bought, then the asset is in poor condition and the firm
would probably not want to replace it.



Robert B
35s5...the nicest boat on the list! By Far!
NY