We can all understand your preference to "backing in" Gaynzy..... you HOMO!

If this schmuck can't back out of a slip... how the hell is he gonna back
in???

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Bull****. You can park your boat any way that's convenient. As he said, it
can make it easier to board and bring on supplies. You give up some
privacy, but that's about the only disadvantage.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding easier.

Even when the ''Queen'' goes with, she at least fends off coming out
of the slip.

Scotty

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:mNpZd.31146$i6.26405@edtnps90...
Obviously this guy needs to tune in the crew... big time.!!!

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Why doesn't your crew board when you do?

SV


"John Lechmanik" wrote in
message
...
Although I'm a little experienced at sailing, I'm still learning
a
lot of
the little incidental things. Such as pulling out of a dock. We
have a
Hunter 310 (a little "beamy" and our slip is narrow) that is
moored
in the
SF Bay area. We have less than 2 feet of total clearance between
the boat
and the dock at the widest point. Our slip is about 1/2 way down
the berths
with slips on both sides of the passageway. The passageway is
probably 40 -
50 feet wide. We have an "upwind berth" which faces to the south
(normal
summer wind direction).

The Marina is surrounded by homes and the wind is usually blocked
pretty
well by the wind from the south by other rows of sailboats.
However
the
wind from the east, west, and north are not that blocked. To
make
things
more interesting our exit from the slip is to the east, which
means
I have
to back out of the slip to the right. The boat pulls to port
when
in
reverse.

Here is the fun part. During this time of the year, the wind
comes
from a
variety of directions. When the wind comes from the east (port
side
of the
boat when in the slip) it's a challenge getting out of the slip.
The first
time I backed out under these conditions I was just out of the
slip,
and
turning the boat to starboard when the wind pushed the bow back
around. No
matter what I did, I couldn't get the boat turned into the wind
and
was
being pushed by the wind down the marina. I finally spotted an
open
slip
and pulled in. We ran a line off the bow and I backed out again,
but this
time had the bow held to the dock. I managed to get the boat
turned
into
the wind, picked up my partner (2 man crew that day) and sailed
off.

A few days ago, we had the east winds again, but this time with a
little bit
of north. After reading up, I tried to run a line off the
starboard
stern
to pull the stern around as I backed out. This SEEMED to be
working
until I
tried to pull next to the slip to pick up my partner, and the
north
effect
of the wind started pushing my starboard into the parked boats.
We
managed
to finally get some forward momentum and move foward while
fending
off the
boats. I couldn't pick up my partner and had to pull around to
the
downwind
side of the berths and pick her up there. The wind was only
about
3 - 4
kts.

I know it's been a long explaination, but now I'm wondering how
to
pull out
under these conditions and pick up my crew before leaving.

Any suggestions???


--
John Lechmanik

To replay directly, correct the address and remove the spam
filter.

''park'' ?


"JG" wrote in message
...
Bull****. You can park your boat any way that's convenient. As he
said, it
can make it easier to board and bring on supplies. You give up some
privacy,
but that's about the only disadvantage.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding easier.

I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can sail out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hMpZd.31141$i6.4870@edtnps90...
You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you sail in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply... he prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding
easier.

Yeah.. okay... but I don't see you whining about it being difficult to
"back" your vessel out of your slip if needed do I!!??

If I'm by myself and the wind is against me... I'll rope my boat out and set
the bow to the wind... then just jump in and whip the line off the bollard
or cleat as I put the engine into gear.

When I didn't have an engine... I rowed the damn thing out towing it with my
punt! I clenched the bowline in my teeth!!!..... and it's a 6 ton full
keel 30 footer!!!

Of course anyone with a Hunter is retarded anyway! Crap.. you could tow that
thing with a pedal boat! Load crew after you back from the slip??? What's
with that!!??

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can sail out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hMpZd.31141$i6.4870@edtnps90...
You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you sail in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply... he prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding
easier.

"Donal" wrote ...

For example, you don't know how far you need to push the brake pedal
to slow
your auto down.... your foot knows. If you don't believe me try
using your
left foot on the brake - and see what happens! Make sure that you
aren't
going too fast when you try this.

Your foot has it's own brain? Mine has to send a signal to the brain
in my head. I guess your foot brain is quicker on the stops.

Ever drive a strange auto? Does your foot know that pedal as well?

Scotty

Never really thought about it. Shouldn't be any more difficult than
backing in, should it?

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:a0qZd.31203$i6.6074@edtnps90...
Yeah.. okay... but I don't see you whining about it being difficult
to
"back" your vessel out of your slip if needed do I!!??

If I'm by myself and the wind is against me... I'll rope my boat out
and set
the bow to the wind... then just jump in and whip the line off the
bollard
or cleat as I put the engine into gear.

When I didn't have an engine... I rowed the damn thing out towing it
with my
punt! I clenched the bowline in my teeth!!!..... and it's a 6 ton
full
keel 30 footer!!!

Of course anyone with a Hunter is retarded anyway! Crap.. you could
tow that
thing with a pedal boat! Load crew after you back from the slip???
What's
with that!!??

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can sail
out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hMpZd.31141$i6.4870@edtnps90...
You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you sail
in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to
seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply... he
prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding
easier.

Actually ... backing in is much more difficult with a sailboat than backing
out.

Well it is with a Crab Crusher like mine anyway......

I don't personally like being stern to a dock on the finger pier. Rubber
neckers and all plus there is no advantage. If you can sail out by backing
in then okay... but if you motor out after backing in ... what's the point?
It's 40 feet of distance max! Most likely it's only 20 feet of reverse. You
can man handle even a 40 footer that distance by yourself. If the dock
requires motoring out I load everyone and everything prior to slipping the
dock lines.... then I shove her to the end of the slip.... line her up...
step aboard... and put it in gear.

Good Grief... it's not rocket science! This isn't the QE2... it's a 30 ft
sailboat... they have dinghies that big.

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Never really thought about it. Shouldn't be any more difficult than
backing in, should it?

Scotty


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:a0qZd.31203$i6.6074@edtnps90...
Yeah.. okay... but I don't see you whining about it being difficult
to
"back" your vessel out of your slip if needed do I!!??

If I'm by myself and the wind is against me... I'll rope my boat out
and set
the bow to the wind... then just jump in and whip the line off the
bollard
or cleat as I put the engine into gear.

When I didn't have an engine... I rowed the damn thing out towing it
with my
punt! I clenched the bowline in my teeth!!!..... and it's a 6 ton
full
keel 30 footer!!!

Of course anyone with a Hunter is retarded anyway! Crap.. you could
tow that
thing with a pedal boat! Load crew after you back from the slip???
What's
with that!!??

CM

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I prefer to dock stern in so if the wind is favorable I can sail
out.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hMpZd.31141$i6.4870@edtnps90...
You back in a power boat you Yankee Doodle Dandy..... you sail
in a
sailboat!

Anyone that has a problem backing out of a slip needs to
seriously
reassess
their skill-set.... especially if it involves a fin keeler.

To prove my point you only need to read Gaynzy's reply... he
prefers
backing
in !!!

CM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wrong! you back-woods backwards Canadjun.

You back out a car ....you back in a boat.

SV


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:XWoZd.30970$i6.30104@edtnps90...
You back in a car... you back out a boat.

CM

"rgnmstr" wrote in message
oups.com...
Parking the boat stern first will make pulling out with more
control in
any condition much easier plus it will sure make boarding
easier.

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Donal" wrote ...

For example, you don't know how far you need to push the brake pedal
to slow
your auto down.... your foot knows. If you don't believe me try
using your
left foot on the brake - and see what happens! Make sure that you
aren't
going too fast when you try this.

Your foot has it's own brain?

Maybe my foot is brighter than your brain.


Mine has to send a signal to the brain
in my head.

Mine doesn't. Therefore my foot is definitely brighter than your brain.

I guess your foot brain is quicker on the stops.

My foot doesn't have a brain. I bet that your's does!

Regards



Donal
--

"Donal" wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote:

"Donal" wrote ...

For example, you don't know how far you need to push the brake pedal
to slow
your auto down.... your foot knows. If you don't believe me try
using your
left foot on the brake - and see what happens! Make sure that you
aren't
going too fast when you try this.

Your foot has it's own brain?

Maybe my foot is brighter than your brain.


Mine has to send a signal to the brain
in my head.

Mine doesn't. Therefore my foot is definitely brighter than your brain.

I guess your foot brain is quicker on the stops.

My foot doesn't have a brain. I bet that your's does!


Ah ha hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You two owe me a beer!

Seahag