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Scott Vernon March 17th 05 05:58 AM

"Donal" wrote in message
You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.


just one?


I think that Haggie will deserve a pint when she gets a mast up.

I'm
actually looking forward to it.



What about the other mast, doofus?



When her boat actually sails, I might have a small glass of

champagne.


how gauche of you.



IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the

regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.



And you?



Silver March 17th 05 11:26 AM

No reason why not. You don't need a real sail - very little pressure is needed to "weathercock" the stern.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt. Mooron
Yeah well the idea has merit... I use a triangular piece of blue poly tarp
.... cut, sewn and grommeted to fit on the split of my backstay while at the
mooring at times. Keeps tension on the mooring lines, keeps the boat from
dancing, and offers a bit of privacy as well. I only use it when the wind
is shifty since my boat isn't prone to swing much on a mooring anyway.

Never entered my mind to use it to keep the bow to the wind under
manuever... but I'll try it this year.

CM


"Silver" wrote in message
...

What you are missing is windage aft to counteract your bow windage at
low revs and reduced rudder effect.

Any extra windage abaft the centre of effort will help. One
surprisingly efficient trick is to set a small sail (an old dinghy jib
would do) on the backstay when you want to back in the conditions you
describe. You can use the topping lift if you have a rigid boom strut
or any other spare halyard - set doesn't matter.

Let it flap until you want to turn, then haul it to weather. It will
spin you round into the wind quite easily and you have perfect control
according to the amount of weight you put on the sheet (you only need
one) When you want to stop turning, let fly and drop the sail at your
leisure. A little practice in open water helps, as this is a powerful
way to turn the boat. Give it a try.


--
Silver


Silver March 17th 05 11:38 AM

A riding sail is fine, in my experience. Only thing is - you may not need the whole sail, as very little pressure is needed to offset bow windage on the average light sailing boat. More on a full keeler, of course.

In the situation described in the first post, you have to be careful if the wind has an onshore (or on to the sterns of other boats) element, as the added windage could swing your stern inshore - to its better to get clear, give a touch on the "air rudder" to nudge the bow up and then let fly and motor ahead as soon as she is straight. This is, of course, also a situtation where a light floating line from the stern to the shore (another good basic technique if practicable) can be unhelpful because unless the crew is very nimble there is a danger of the whole boat being blown back on before the stern is turned and the line recovered.

This is quite a well known application of basic sailing principles to boat handling which I have used many times as a professional skipper, sailing many different boats. Its easy with a two masted rig, although I would often use only a small portion of the mizzen, depending on hull form, wind strength and other factors. With a single masted rig, the small sail or purpose made triangle
is an effective solution once you learn to handle it right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom Stewart
Silver,

Great advice! Never even thought of it.
How about the riding sail? It does alright at anchor to keep a windward
heading. I'm going to give it a try. Sounds good.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


katysails March 17th 05 12:03 PM

...and I dutifully sent it back....did Bart ever get it?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
HEY ! I sent it where you told me to send it. I always do as I'm
told.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he just

paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you

next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here

that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.

I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
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Scott Vernon March 17th 05 03:09 PM

No. He said he doesn't want it. I think he's afraid to give me
his real address.

Scotty




"katysails" wrote in message
...
..and I dutifully sent it back....did Bart ever get it?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
HEY ! I sent it where you told me to send it. I always do as

I'm
told.

Scotty

"katysails" wrote in message
...
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he

just
paid it
to the wrong person...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach

you
next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some

here
that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.

I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
--












Joe March 17th 05 03:17 PM


katysails wrote:
I can testify to that...Scotty paid off his bet to Bart....he just

paid it
to the wrong person...



Well I wonder who that leaves... that did not pay off his election bet?

Joe


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

Donal wrote:

I've sent a pint of Guinness in the post. It should reach you

next
Tuesday!

You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.



Good for you Donal. Perhaps you can set an example to some here

that
feel no honor is lost in not paying off on his bets.


I don't believe that anybody here would not pay off their lost

bets. This
ng is a place of honour!!!



Regards


Donal
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Scott Vernon March 17th 05 03:39 PM

a question mark?




Martin Baxter March 17th 05 05:54 PM

Scott Vernon wrote:

a question mark?



Punctuation Nazi!

Cheers
Marty


Donal March 18th 05 12:15 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Donal" wrote in message
You are not allowed to drink it until you put up your mast.

just one?


I think that Haggie will deserve a pint when she gets a mast up.

I'm
actually looking forward to it.



What about the other mast, doofus?


You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?

I shall celebrate when Haggie gets one mast up. If you want to demean her
achievement by pointing out that that she needs two masts, then I shall
assume that you are as worthless as BB.





When her boat actually sails, I might have a small glass of

champagne.


how gauche of you.


Gauche=Left. What are you suggesting?





IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the

regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.



And you?



I'm with the regular posters on this. You????


Regards


Donal
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Scott Vernon March 18th 05 12:30 AM

"Donal" wrote


What about the other mast, doofus?


You really are a cruel *******! Why don't you give Haggie a break?



Why don't you buy her a beer, ya cheap *******.



IMHO, Haggy's restoration is a *real* sailing project. All the

regular
posters will be happy to see the boat sail again.



And you?



I'm with the regular posters on this. You????



Honestly? I'll be a bit sad.

Scotty







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