"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

"katysails" disengendered thusly: snipped
some
. . . that what kind of woman leaves her kids at home to go sailing with
someone she doesn't know from a ng for 9 days? One kind, to my
mind...but that's namecalling and there's been enough of that. snipped
some more

Why are you so jealous of LP? Just because she took me up on my offer
to go sailing and you were too homebound to?

This is so amusing as to be ridiculous. That Katy would be jealous of
anyone meeting you vis-a-vis is completely laughable. To the contrary, I
think Katy would be diligently avoiding meeting you at all costs. As for
homebound, you couldn't fill her husband's shoes, despite your 13 shoe size.

LP loves her boys and she
spent days making arrangements so they would be properly supervised and
loved safe while she was out sailing.
One might wonder if you instilled in your progeny this abiding concern for
the well-being of their children?

Knowing Katy as I do, I have no doubt she did precisely that.

No harm came to LP's children while she
was out sailing. One might wonder what the parents of your granddaughter
were doing when the unfortunate accident occurred. Was *their* daughter
being properly supervised? Just a thought.

Accidents happen. Only a card-carrying liberal would suspect culpability of
the parents in such events. Are you going to call Child Protective Services
and demand that Katy's grandchild be made a ward of the court, put in foster
care? Your left wing is showing, Neal.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

No harm came to LP's children while she
was out sailing. One might wonder what the parents of your granddaughter
were doing when the unfortunate accident occurred. Was *their* daughter
being properly supervised? Just a thought.

Accidents happen. Only a card-carrying liberal would suspect culpability
of the parents in such events.

How can an 11 year old run out on a busy street be an accident, Max?
Seriously, I would like to know so that I can protect my sons. Was the
mother there with her? Was granny supposed to be watching over her grand
daughter? It appears to me in this article that there was no adult
supervision, the child was running with 11 other students without
supervision.

The article:

Two girls hit by dump truck while crossing the street in Lowell

(Update, Lowell, November 12, 2004, 5:30 p.m.) Two Lowell girls are
hospitalized in intensive care Friday morning after being hit by an asphalt
dump truck.

The accident happened around 4:20 p.m. Thursday in front of a McDonald's
restaurant in the 1300 block of West Main Street.

Police say a group of seven pre-teen girls was crossing the road on its way
to McDonald's from the YMCA Teen Center. Five of those girls made it across
the street, but two of them, 13-year-old name deleted and 11-year-old
katy's grand daughter, did not as they were hit by an asphalt dump truck.

"One of the girls was injured and flown out by AeroMed, and the second girl
was transported by Rockford-Lowell Ambulance," said Lowell Police Chief Jim
Valentine.

The girls are in serious condition at DeVos Children's Hospital in Grand
Rapids, and 24 Hour News 8 understands they are showing signs of progress.

Investigators say early indicators suggest the driver of the truck,
46-year-old Robert Tarte, was not speeding, and skid marks indicate he tried
to avoid hitting the girls.

"The preliminary skid accident speed estimates the vehicle at less than 40
miler per hour, so we don't feel speed was a contributing factor," said
Chief Valentine.

A much safer and less dangerous crosswalk is located about 250 feet from
where the accident happened. Police and YMCA officials are going to teach
teens about safety when it comes to crossing the street.

"Caution has got to be paramount," said Lowell Police Sergeant Stephen
Junewick.

He plans to visit schools with news footage of the accident illustrating how
crossing five lanes of traffic and darting in front of cars can lead to
disaster.

"When you walk across in an inappropriate manner, you're taking your life in
your own hands," he said.

"So, it's just been a real blessing that these two young girls were struck
by a 60,000 pound dump truck and survived that particular crash," said Chief
Valentine.

Lowell Police officials say they will turn over the results of their
investigation to the Kent County prosecutor's office. But at this point in
time, Chief Valentine says it doesn't appear the truck driver did anything
wrong. end quote

Are you going to call Child Protective Services and demand that Katy's
grandchild be made a ward of the court, put in foster care?

I doubt if Child Protective Services would care nowadays. I see children
running the streets all the time, while their parents are too absorbed with
making another buck so they can buy a bigger, nicer sailboat or some other
expensive hobby instead of being the parents that they are supposed to be.

LP

It appears to me in this article that there was no adult supervision, the
child was running with 11 other students without supervision.

Oops! I mean seven other students.

"Maxprop" emoted thusly:

Accidents happen. Only a card-carrying liberal would suspect culpability of
the parents in such events. Are you going to call Child Protective Services
and demand that Katy's grandchild be made a ward of the court, put in foster
care? Your left wing is showing, Neal.

As usual, you missed the point.

The point of my post was calling to Katy's attention the hypocrisy of her
accusing LP of being an irresponsible parent when, in fact, it appears
Katy's granddaughter's parents might be accused of the same?

Could the projection theory be correct, after all?

CN

Cluck Cluck Cluck Cluck...SQWACK!!!
**** **** **** ****...****-OFF!!

The pair of you should be kicked out of the Men's Club for gross hen
pecking!

Good Grief!!

Buck Up!

CM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" emoted thusly:

Accidents happen. Only a card-carrying liberal would suspect culpability
of the parents in such events. Are you going to call Child Protective
Services and demand that Katy's grandchild be made a ward of the court,
put in foster care? Your left wing is showing, Neal.

As usual, you missed the point.
The point of my post was calling to Katy's attention the hypocrisy of her
accusing LP of being an irresponsible parent when, in fact, it appears
Katy's granddaughter's parents might be accused of the same?
Could the projection theory be correct, after all?

CN

In article kJMXd.23607$fc4.19216@edtnps89,
Capt. Mooron wrote:
Cluck Cluck Cluck Cluck...SQWACK!!!
**** **** **** ****...****-OFF!!

The pair of you should be kicked out of the Men's Club for gross hen
pecking!

Good Grief!!

Buck Up!


Yup, it's Chicken Man Mooron. BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Actually, Neal, Madi was in the YMCA after school program. They allowed her
to leave with another parent's consent, not my daughter's...there is a
lawsuit pending for that....not that I owe you any explanations...the family
has suffered enough, but you, sir, wouldn't know anything about that since
you have no family and if you did, would certainly have been cast from its'
numbers well before this...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Maxprop" emoted thusly:

Accidents happen. Only a card-carrying liberal would suspect culpability
of the parents in such events. Are you going to call Child Protective
Services and demand that Katy's grandchild be made a ward of the court,
put in foster care? Your left wing is showing, Neal.

As usual, you missed the point.
The point of my post was calling to Katy's attention the hypocrisy of her
accusing LP of being an irresponsible parent when, in fact, it appears
Katy's granddaughter's parents might be accused of the same?
Could the projection theory be correct, after all?

CN

I think I get it now.

Your daughter, Madi's mother, apparently does not stay at home and raise
her child. She is working and farms out the raising of her daughter to others.

She puts her little girl in what amounts to day care after school. She
abdicates the hands-on raising and supervising of her child in favor of
a career and pays somebody else to do her job.

Then the poor child gets run over because she was not being properly
looked after.

Then the mother sues the day-care center for not supervising her kid
well enough when it was the mother who should have being taking care
of her child in the first place and, if she had been doing so, the child
would not have gotten run over.

Sounds rather hypocritical to me. Bottom line, it is the mother's fault
her child got run over - nobody else but the mother's fault. It is the
mother's job to stay at home and raise her children.

What bugs me is LP has stayed at home and raised her
children yet you accused her of child neglect. I think you
should apologize to her. After you apologize perhaps you
could set your critical sights closer to home?

CN

"katysails" wrote in message ...
Actually, Neal, Madi was in the YMCA after school program. They allowed her
to leave with another parent's consent, not my daughter's...there is a
lawsuit pending for that....not that I owe you any explanations...the family
has suffered enough, but you, sir, wouldn't know anything about that since
you have no family and if you did, would certainly have been cast from its'
numbers well before this...

The above post sounded a little harsh and I was revising it to what
appears below but, somehow, the above got posted anyway.

Please ignore the above and respond only to this one if you would
be so kind.

Katysails,

No need call me names and impugn my character . . . I simply would
like to put things in perspective.

Let's see if I understand all this. Please correct me if I am wrong. . .

Your daughter, Madi's mother, apparently does not stay at home and
raise her child(ren). She is working and farms out the raising of her
daughter to others.

After school, she has enrolled her little girl in what amounts to day care.
She abdicates the daily, hands-on raising and supervising of her child(ren)
in favor of a career outside her home while she pays somebody else to do
most of the child-rearing.

Then the poor child gets run over because she was not being properly
reared.

Then the mother sues the day-care center for not rearing her kid
well enough when it was the mother who should have been rearing
her child in the first place and, if she had been doing so, the child
would not have gotten run over. Katy, this is one of the direct results
of liberalism (It takes a Village - Hillary Clinton). Can you not see
this?

At any rate, I feel badly for the injured child who will probably
suffer from her wounds the rest of her life. I'm glad she pulled
though and I'm glad so many good people prayed for her recovery.

But blaming her accident on somebody else sounds rather hypocritical
to me.

Bottom line, and I know you don't want to hear this - it is the
mother's fault her child got run over - nobody else's but the
mother's fault. It is a mother's job to stay at home and raise
her children. The mother was not doing her job!

What bugs me is LP is a stay-at-home mom and raises her children,
and has done a damned fine job of it from what I can see, yet
you as much as accuse her of child neglect. Is it any wonder she
got ****ed and lashed out at you? I probably would have done the
same thing.

I think you should apologize to her. After you apologize, perhaps
you should set your critical sights a little closer to home? That
would be the Christian thing to do.

I sincerely wish you and little Madi well.

CN

"katysails" wrote in message ...
Actually, Neal, Madi was in the YMCA after school program. They allowed her to leave with another parent's consent, not my
daughter's...there is a lawsuit pending for that....not that I owe you any explanations...the family has suffered enough, but you,
sir, wouldn't know anything about that since you have no family and if you did, would certainly have been cast from its' numbers
well before this...



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ...


I think I get it now.
Your daughter, Madi's mother, apparently does not stay at home and raise her child. She is working and farms out the raising of
her daughter to others.

She puts her little girl in what amounts to day care after school. She
abdicates the hands-on raising and supervising of her child in favor of
a career and pays somebody else to do her job.

Then the poor child gets run over because she was not being properly looked after.

Then the mother sues the day-care center for not supervising her kid well enough when it was the mother who should have being
taking care of her child in the first place and, if she had been doing so, the child
would not have gotten run over.

Sounds rather hypocritical to me. Bottom line, it is the mother's fault her child got run over - nobody else but the mother's
fault. It is the mother's job to stay at home and raise her children.
What bugs me is LP has stayed at home and raised her children yet you accused her of child neglect. I think you should apologize
to her. After you apologize perhaps you
could set your critical sights closer to home?

CN

"katysails" wrote in message ...
Actually, Neal, Madi was in the YMCA after school program. They allowed her to leave with another parent's consent, not my
daughter's...there is a lawsuit pending for that....not that I owe you any explanations...the family has suffered enough, but
you, sir, wouldn't know anything about that since you have no family and if you did, would certainly have been cast from its'
numbers well before this...

Go blow, Neal...you're a real horse's patoot sometimes...my daughter's a
great Mom and that's all you need to know....**** happens...after all, look
at you...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


I think I get it now.
Your daughter, Madi's mother, apparently does not stay at home and raise
her child. She is working and farms out the raising of her daughter to
others.

She puts her little girl in what amounts to day care after school. She
abdicates the hands-on raising and supervising of her child in favor of
a career and pays somebody else to do her job.

Then the poor child gets run over because she was not being properly
looked after.

Then the mother sues the day-care center for not supervising her kid well
enough when it was the mother who should have being taking care of her
child in the first place and, if she had been doing so, the child
would not have gotten run over.

Sounds rather hypocritical to me. Bottom line, it is the mother's fault
her child got run over - nobody else but the mother's fault. It is the
mother's job to stay at home and raise her children.
What bugs me is LP has stayed at home and raised her children yet you
accused her of child neglect. I think you should apologize to her. After
you apologize perhaps you
could set your critical sights closer to home?

CN

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Actually, Neal, Madi was in the YMCA after school program. They allowed
her to leave with another parent's consent, not my daughter's...there is
a lawsuit pending for that....not that I owe you any explanations...the
family has suffered enough, but you, sir, wouldn't know anything about
that since you have no family and if you did, would certainly have been
cast from its' numbers well before this...