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"Scout" wrote in message
... CM, .. Perhaps things are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia. Or in the real world. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "Scout" wrote in message ... CM, I don't know what your experience is with unions. But I do know what I've been through, and my father, and his father. Your points are made eloquently, but do not mesh with what I know to be truth. Perhaps things are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia. Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:YpFYd.46457$fc4.9578@edtnps89... "Scout" wrote in message Very good. And because they had that day, hired goons no longer show up and split your head open with a baseball bat for wanting a fair share of the profits of a company's efforts. Had you seen that, you might be glad to have a brother close by. These heavy handed "negotiations" made bar room fights look like a day at the beach. Not really a viable example Scout... since there are many things in society that are no longer condoned and that had nothing to do with union activity. It's all very well and good to espouse a philosophy that worked in the day of the agrarian citizen, but the sheer number of people in the modern workforce demands different rules. Hobbes would have agreed with me. People are inherently greedy; generally speaking they are pricks. ASA provides all the evidence one needs to believe that is true. Government and big business are one and the same, and together they are still the Leviathan. Mutually beneficial contracts are needed today more than ever. God bless a nation where a guy like Scotty can make the offer of "take it or shove it." He can do so only because others have paid the cost, and continue to pay the price, for that privilege. Our ancestors have collectively paid the price to have us achieve our current freedoms and society... this in no way suggests that methods acceptable even 50 years ago are legitimate today. Your statement on the general tendencies of people seem to illustrate a rather negative view of society in general. I do not find the people posting to ASA as pricks at all.... [Except for Gaynzy who is an annoying little homo].... their posturing and statements are a fine tool with which to hone my abilities to defend a position. Considering the anonymity provided by this medium... it's a wonder the verbal engagements are not far worse. In effect we self police. In regards to Scotty's ability to establish his rate of pay... this has been available for as long as we have existed and is not the result of union activity. If you provide a service or commodity that is superior to others in the same field.... you have the right to charge what the consumer will bear. CM |
"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message news:r2gZd.2223$uw6.564@trnddc06... "Scout" wrote in message ... CM, . Perhaps things are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia. Or in the real world. Lonny..... try this link on the Giant Mine Strike in Yellowknife... http://tinylink.com/?aVHXwkC6Ed I lived through it and had good friends on both sides. It destroyed life-long friendships and families to nobody's benefit. The fault lay squarely in the laps of both Employer and Union. This is why I am leaning towards Legal Firms to engage in Employment Contracts. CM |
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Yep, but notice that I carefully couched my reference to "fools in debt." There are always legitimate cases where honest people have fallen on hard times and it is in the best interest of the rest of us to help them regain their balance. There is that, but hey, you can't expect a society led by "compassionate conservatism" to give even so much as a little rat's ass. There are others, of course, like the big casino mahof, who hired my company to do his mechanical construction and then claimed (planned) bankruptcy. He offered us 10 cents on the dollar. As you can see, he is no where near bankrupt and planned to let the contractors pay for his casino. We said no, beat him in court, and got all of our money. I can think of dumber things that trying to cheat contruction workers. But you're right, it's a business plan for some. Corporate deadbeats... includes a lot of insurance companies... DSK |
I agree, but it looks like you're making Davey angry.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... The trick here is to not get angry just because others have opinions differing from one's own. Scout "JG" wrote in message ... Scout, you're talking about Dave? Mr. Poodle? He doesn't engage in "discussions" unless he's absolutely, 100 percent right, in his own mind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message I'm not certain if you are being compliant or assertive with that statement! It must be assertive since I sense a bit of aggression.... :-) Aggressively assertive compliance. Max |
"Maxprop" wrote in message Aggressively assertive compliance. She's female... compliance comes naturally! Assertive, Aggressive or otherwise... :-) CM... I know... I know... I'll burn in the Lava Lakes! |
I have memorized it as well; so did Ronald Reagan.
Scout "Jeff" wrote in message ... Scout wrote: The land of Robert Service, my favorite poet! Scout Some years back I was riding in a car with my mother and for some reason starting exchanging verses of "The Cremation of Sam McGee." It turned out we had both memorized it in high school! There are strange things done in the midnight sun By the men who moil for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales That would make your blood run cold; The Northern Lights have seen queer sights, But the queerest they ever did see Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge I cremated Sam McGee. This link has the complete poem, worth reading out loud, preferably in front of a fireplace. I never realized that Lake Lebarge, the Alice May, and Sam were all real! http://www.wordfocus.com/wordactcremation.html |
There is no aggression, and there is no compliance...but there is
assertiveness.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:WrfZd.56939$fc4.56085@edtnps89... I'm not certain if you are being compliant or assertive with that statement! It must be assertive since I sense a bit of aggression.... :-) CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You can disagree all you want to...you are wrong. Enjoy your wrongness. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:Yj8Zd.56440$fc4.24526@edtnps89... I disagree..... assertiveness is most certainly a response to outside stimuli. Initial actions cannot be undertaken without the premise of interaction between at least 2 people.... at this point you have the initiation and the response. If you are subject to an assertive request... you must decide upon it's validity, pertinence and reach a decision that you will either comply or refuse. If you decide to comply.... the point of assertive behaviour is moot. You have in effect agreed to be compliant. If you decide to refuse... you have taken a stance that will require to be defended. To effect this will necessitate an aggressive posture. The scale of aggression is directly associated with the level of assertiveness contained by the request. Once you challenge anyone.... you have initiated an aggressive posture.... no matter if it was based on self assertion or dismissal due to mitigating factors. You are still insisting that aggressive behaviour is only identified through violent behaviour... and that is simply incorrect. A person can be very aggressive without being physically violent. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... No..you're analogy is wrong....we're not talking about Reponses but initial actions....responses are an entirely different matter...a person can assertively request another to get them a cup of coffee...by doing so, the other person, responding to the assertiveness, does not lose face, does not take on the role of servitude, retains some aspect of equality or equanimity....a person aggressively requesting another get them a cup of coffee negates the importance of that other person, takes away their respect, and lowers their position in regards to others... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1i3Zd.27317$i6.16694@edtnps90... Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
never....assertive noncompliance...
"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message I'm not certain if you are being compliant or assertive with that statement! It must be assertive since I sense a bit of aggression.... :-) Aggressively assertive compliance. Max |
snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not
assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:bTpZd.31168$i6.26124@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message Aggressively assertive compliance. She's female... compliance comes naturally! Assertive, Aggressive or otherwise... :-) CM... I know... I know... I'll burn in the Lava Lakes! |
"katysails" wrote in message snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... I'll bet it was derisive. And perhaps even a bit denigrating. An aggressively denigratingly derisive, noncompliant, nonassertive snort. Max |
"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "katysails" wrote in message snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... I'll bet it was derisive. And perhaps even a bit denigrating. An aggressively denigratingly derisive, noncompliant, nonassertive snort. I'm not quite certain Max... but it seems that "snort" sounded awfully assertive ..... Kitty was being totally noncompliant in this instance. I believe it stems from her aggressive personality which apparently has been piqued! She carefully weighed the substance of the point of contention and decided to take a stand. It seems I can take comfort in the fact that her assertiveness was based on aggression which would validate my argument... proving once again that females are guided by emotion and not logic! Excuse me while I take time to engage in my "I win! I Win!! River Dance" ...... Hoo Yeah! Who Da Man?... I Da Man! CM |
I believe in the free market.
If a man wants to work, then he should be allowed to work. If a man wants to strike, then he should be allowed to be replaced, provided someone else wants to do the work. The days of strong arm tactics should be over. They don't help anyone anymore. Collective bargaining should be allowed. It is more effecient for management, and it assures all workers of getting a somewhat equal and fair shake. But if you choose not to work (strike), then you can be replaced. Perhaps the management will decide it will function better with the striking workers as they are more experienced, then that is the free market at work. I believe in the free market. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:ygiZd.57167$fc4.43701@edtnps89... "Lonny Bruce" wrote in message news:r2gZd.2223$uw6.564@trnddc06... "Scout" wrote in message ... CM, . Perhaps things are different in Canada, or in Philadelphia. Or in the real world. Lonny..... try this link on the Giant Mine Strike in Yellowknife... http://tinylink.com/?aVHXwkC6Ed I lived through it and had good friends on both sides. It destroyed life-long friendships and families to nobody's benefit. The fault lay squarely in the laps of both Employer and Union. This is why I am leaning towards Legal Firms to engage in Employment Contracts. CM |
Katy! you're babbling.
"katysails" wrote in message ... snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:bTpZd.31168$i6.26124@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message Aggressively assertive compliance. She's female... compliance comes naturally! Assertive, Aggressive or otherwise... :-) CM... I know... I know... I'll burn in the Lava Lakes! |
"Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:31:46 GMT, "Lonny Bruce" said: Collective bargaining should be allowed. It is more effecient for management, and it assures all workers of getting a somewhat equal and fair shake. As to efficiency, I find that a fairly weak argument. Seems to me it would be more efficient for management to be able to pay its harder working and more productive workers more than the guy who starts putting on his coat at 4:45. Which is why a legal firm would be a much better option than a union in today's workforce. Most of the union bosses are poorly educated, unmotivated, under-achievers who rely on seniority and the "good ole' boys" club mentality to secure a cushy position within the union hierarchy. If union dues were used to employ a legal firm to negotiate pay rates and benefits, the threat of a strike would be a non-issue and the cost of lengthy litigation would provide incentive for both sides to reach an agreement. As it is the collective bargaining and union demands are generally fuelled by the personal agenda of the union bosses..... not the requirements of the rank & file membership. CM |
You know me so well....
"Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "katysails" wrote in message snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... I'll bet it was derisive. And perhaps even a bit denigrating. An aggressively denigratingly derisive, noncompliant, nonassertive snort. Max |
Did you ever consider the fact that I had a stuffy nose and needed to clear
it at that time? But I refrained from aggressively clearing it your way and averted an aggressive reply from you in return...making it an assertive act but the remark was most obviously derisive...but not aggressive, since no force was applied in any way, shape, or form...and only aggressors care if they win or lose...I am sanctimonious no matter which way it turns... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5CtZd.31486$i6.16248@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "katysails" wrote in message snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... I'll bet it was derisive. And perhaps even a bit denigrating. An aggressively denigratingly derisive, noncompliant, nonassertive snort. I'm not quite certain Max... but it seems that "snort" sounded awfully assertive ..... Kitty was being totally noncompliant in this instance. I believe it stems from her aggressive personality which apparently has been piqued! She carefully weighed the substance of the point of contention and decided to take a stand. It seems I can take comfort in the fact that her assertiveness was based on aggression which would validate my argument... proving once again that females are guided by emotion and not logic! Excuse me while I take time to engage in my "I win! I Win!! River Dance" ..... Hoo Yeah! Who Da Man?... I Da Man! CM |
If you followed the thread you would know what's going on...get with the
program.... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Katy! you're babbling. "katysails" wrote in message ... snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:bTpZd.31168$i6.26124@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message Aggressively assertive compliance. She's female... compliance comes naturally! Assertive, Aggressive or otherwise... :-) CM... I know... I know... I'll burn in the Lava Lakes! |
Yeah Whatever... Okay!... but I still win right!!!
Woooooooooooo Ye-e-e-a-a-a-a-a-h-h-h-h-h-h!!!! CM Who Da Man!?.... I da Man!!!! "katysails" wrote in message ... Did you ever consider the fact that I had a stuffy nose and needed to clear it at that time? But I refrained from aggressively clearing it your way and averted an aggressive reply from you in return...making it an assertive act but the remark was most obviously derisive...but not aggressive, since no force was applied in any way, shape, or form...and only aggressors care if they win or lose...I am sanctimonious no matter which way it turns... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5CtZd.31486$i6.16248@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "katysails" wrote in message snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... I'll bet it was derisive. And perhaps even a bit denigrating. An aggressively denigratingly derisive, noncompliant, nonassertive snort. I'm not quite certain Max... but it seems that "snort" sounded awfully assertive ..... Kitty was being totally noncompliant in this instance. I believe it stems from her aggressive personality which apparently has been piqued! She carefully weighed the substance of the point of contention and decided to take a stand. It seems I can take comfort in the fact that her assertiveness was based on aggression which would validate my argument... proving once again that females are guided by emotion and not logic! Excuse me while I take time to engage in my "I win! I Win!! River Dance" ..... Hoo Yeah! Who Da Man?... I Da Man! CM |
Whoa!... that assertion sounded awfully aggressive to me Kitty!!
CM "katysails" wrote in message ... If you followed the thread you would know what's going on...get with the program.... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Katy! you're babbling. "katysails" wrote in message ... snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:bTpZd.31168$i6.26124@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message Aggressively assertive compliance. She's female... compliance comes naturally! Assertive, Aggressive or otherwise... :-) CM... I know... I know... I'll burn in the Lava Lakes! |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message It seems I can take comfort in the fact that her assertiveness was based on aggression which would validate my argument... proving once again that females are guided by emotion and not logic! In all seriousness, in all the years I've known her, she's always been assertive, but I've never seen anything remotely aggressive in her behavior. Hoo Yeah! Who Da Man?... I Da Man! Have another 150 proof rum, will ya. Max |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message Yeah Whatever... Okay!... but I still win right!!! Woooooooooooo Ye-e-e-a-a-a-a-a-h-h-h-h-h-h!!!! Bubbles? Is that you??? Max |
Peter Pan will never be a man....
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:LMKZd.37287$ZO2.31553@edtnps84... Yeah Whatever... Okay!... but I still win right!!! Woooooooooooo Ye-e-e-a-a-a-a-a-h-h-h-h-h-h!!!! CM Who Da Man!?.... I da Man!!!! "katysails" wrote in message ... Did you ever consider the fact that I had a stuffy nose and needed to clear it at that time? But I refrained from aggressively clearing it your way and averted an aggressive reply from you in return...making it an assertive act but the remark was most obviously derisive...but not aggressive, since no force was applied in any way, shape, or form...and only aggressors care if they win or lose...I am sanctimonious no matter which way it turns... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5CtZd.31486$i6.16248@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "katysails" wrote in message snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... I'll bet it was derisive. And perhaps even a bit denigrating. An aggressively denigratingly derisive, noncompliant, nonassertive snort. I'm not quite certain Max... but it seems that "snort" sounded awfully assertive ..... Kitty was being totally noncompliant in this instance. I believe it stems from her aggressive personality which apparently has been piqued! She carefully weighed the substance of the point of contention and decided to take a stand. It seems I can take comfort in the fact that her assertiveness was based on aggression which would validate my argument... proving once again that females are guided by emotion and not logic! Excuse me while I take time to engage in my "I win! I Win!! River Dance" ..... Hoo Yeah! Who Da Man?... I Da Man! CM |
Not really...I didn't clench my fists while I typed it...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:YNKZd.37292$ZO2.7193@edtnps84... Whoa!... that assertion sounded awfully aggressive to me Kitty!! CM "katysails" wrote in message ... If you followed the thread you would know what's going on...get with the program.... "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Katy! you're babbling. "katysails" wrote in message ... snort...like heck compliance comes naturally....BTW, the snort was not assertive but aggressive...and certainly noncompliant... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:bTpZd.31168$i6.26124@edtnps90... "Maxprop" wrote in message Aggressively assertive compliance. She's female... compliance comes naturally! Assertive, Aggressive or otherwise... :-) CM... I know... I know... I'll burn in the Lava Lakes! |
snort
(now he's gonna think I'm a wuss...) "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message It seems I can take comfort in the fact that her assertiveness was based on aggression which would validate my argument... proving once again that females are guided by emotion and not logic! In all seriousness, in all the years I've known her, she's always been assertive, but I've never seen anything remotely aggressive in her behavior. Hoo Yeah! Who Da Man?... I Da Man! Have another 150 proof rum, will ya. Max |
That is not what I meant by 'effecient'. I think you might be referring to
"effective"??? What I meant was it will free up management to do other functions, as not as much of their time will be tied to indivual salary negotiations. By allowing management to individually negotiate salaries, that opens up the possibilities of abuse, one of the reasons for the formation of the unions in the first place. How much better it will be for all concerned if there was an agreed to and established wage package for new employees, and what raises, if any, they will get after 1 year of service, etc. Of course, for this to work, other management tools must be implemented, such as quotas, testing, etc, to make sure that the work that is being payed for is getting done. Hey, if you want to see something funny, go to your local gov't building, such as your county gov't building. Watch what happens at 5:00. There is a regular stampede of the gov't workers trying to get out the door, complete with their briefcases packed and their coats on. So I figure they start getting ready to leave at 4:45 by putting on thier coats and packing their briefcases, etc, and by extenstion that probably means that they stop work at 4:30 or so. Certainly once 4:15 rolls around they can't start a new project because they will be leaving soon. So each worker wastes that last hour of the day preparing to leave. What ever happened to: You get paid to WORK until 5. Then you stop. Then you leave? Of course, I have not worked a whimpy 40 hour week since I was 18. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "Dave" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:31:46 GMT, "Lonny Bruce" said: Collective bargaining should be allowed. It is more effecient for management, and it assures all workers of getting a somewhat equal and fair shake. As to efficiency, I find that a fairly weak argument. Seems to me it would be more efficient for management to be able to pay its harder working and more productive workers more than the guy who starts putting on his coat at 4:45. |
"JG" wrote in message
... You're so totally full of **** that even the chickens are laughing. You're an abusive drunk, who claims to be a man but isn't. Read it again. He talks about Capt. Mooron's "man but". L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "JG" wrote in message ... You're so totally full of **** that even the chickens are laughing. You're an abusive drunk, who claims to be a man but isn't. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:rpNYd.23943$ZO2.16513@edtnps84... "katysails" wrote in message Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... Important? No Kitty.... it's merely par for the course when dealing with Gaynzy. Slapping around of such an obviously annoying little twit isn't done to elevate my standing.... that's already understood. I suppose I could ignore him... but what sport is there in that? You do understand that he brings this action upon himself of his own volition don't you? He is free to communicate in a rational manner but refuses to do so. If he had any senses at all he wouldn't be killfiled by so many people. CM |
"JG" wrote in message
... Actually, what it really shows is your lack of manhood. Only a weenie would think that name calling is somehow informative or interesting. As usual, you're showing off of your lack of balls, since you know you would never say anything like this to anyone in person. You're a wimp and a fool. YOU LOST. Read it again. This time he shows his obsession with Capt. Mooron's balls. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "JG" wrote in message ... Actually, what it really shows is your lack of manhood. Only a weenie would think that name calling is somehow informative or interesting. As usual, you're showing off of your lack of balls, since you know you would never say anything like this to anyone in person. You're a wimp and a fool. YOU LOST. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hzYYd.49073$fc4.39734@edtnps89... If I was concerned in regards to having time taken away from more important matters.... I would probably not be posting here in the first place. Generally I find myself posting to the group during movie commercials, breaks while engaged in other computer work, waiting for the next level of UT2K4 to load up... unless there is an interesting thread or a viable, challenging opponent to engage. I only subscribe to ASA... since it offers a much better standard of rhetoric and wit. Let's face it... most of the regulars here, have covered in debt almost every topic on sailing... repeatedly Gaynz provides opportunity to test the amount of verbal abuse that can be tolerated by an individual on usegroups. I understand that this is of no interest to some of the other posters here... but a filter which deletes any post containing the word "Gaynz" or "Gaynzy" will clear that up since I will always include those words in my replies to Jon's posts. To date I have found that Jax endured the most abuse until he finally snapped and was forced to take a break. Gaynz is not far behind Jax.... and far less literate.... which isn't saying much. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:rpNYd.23943$ZO2.16513@edtnps84... "katysails" wrote in message Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... Important? No Kitty.... it's merely par for the course when dealing with Gaynzy. Slapping around of such an obviously annoying little twit isn't done to elevate my standing.... that's already understood. I suppose I could ignore him... but what sport is there in that? You do understand that he brings this action upon himself of his own volition don't you? He is free to communicate in a rational manner but refuses to do so. If he had any senses at all he wouldn't be killfiled by so many people. CM |
"JG" wrote in message
... Yeah, here's another example of fool. He filters me because I asked him if his mother was a lesbian. But, he leaves unfiltered the likes of Mooron and Scotti Potti. Typical. Read it again. He talks about gays in this post. Geez, this is just too easy. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "JG" wrote in message ... Yeah, here's another example of fool. He filters me because I asked him if his mother was a lesbian. But, he leaves unfiltered the likes of Mooron and Scotti Potti. Typical. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Max |
"JG" wrote in message
... It proves something to himself. It's a bit sad actually. Once again he speaks of his emotions. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "JG" wrote in message ... It proves something to himself. It's a bit sad actually. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xwMYd.23933$ZO2.21646@edtnps84... "JG" wrote in message ... I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just plain stupid. Well now Gaynzy... you're neither aggressive nor assertive... you're just an annoying, whining little homo! Your incapacity of emulating any masculine traits is positive proof that you are a limp wristed, lisping queer! Your tendency to effeminate behaviour has no doubt been the root cause of the abuse you've suffered throughout life. Now why don't you return to memorizing the Vagina Monologues and reapply more Preparation H while awaiting your next caller.... CM |
"JG" wrote in message
... Mooron has a lot of experience with taking it up the ass. Now he writes about a subject he knows a lot about. L -- Enjoy my new sailing web site http://sail247.com "JG" wrote in message ... Mooron has a lot of experience with taking it up the ass. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:uTQYd.22694$i6.4604@edtnps90... Gaynzy thinks he's being assertive when he's takin' it up the ass! You little homo! CM "JG" wrote in message ... You're completely and totally wrong, as usual. Bwahahahaaaaaa.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
In article H3G_d.11532$UV2.11188@trnddc04,
Lonny Bruce wrote: "JG" wrote in message ... You're so totally full of **** that even the chickens are laughing. You're an abusive drunk, who claims to be a man but isn't. Read it again. He talks about Capt. Mooron's "man but". L READ IT AGAIN. YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article Y5G_d.11541$UV2.1945@trnddc04,
Lonny Bruce wrote: "JG" wrote in message ... Actually, what it really shows is your lack of manhood. Only a weenie would think that name calling is somehow informative or interesting. As usual, you're showing off of your lack of balls, since you know you would never say anything like this to anyone in person. You're a wimp and a fool. YOU LOST. Read it again. This time he shows his obsession with Capt. Mooron's balls. READ IT AGAIN. YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article 57G_d.11546$UV2.234@trnddc04,
Lonny Bruce wrote: all his bull**** removed -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article f8G_d.11551$UV2.3735@trnddc04,
Lonny Bruce wrote: bs deleted -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article 69G_d.11556$UV2.6751@trnddc04,
Lonny Bruce wrote: bs deleted -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
In article paG_d.11562$UV2.3075@trnddc04,
Lonny Bruce wrote: bs deleted -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
They put all their phones on "send" at 3:45....and they don't take them off
the voice mail cover until they've had their coffee in the morning...I have a lot of contact with government offices...most have one fax machine with 50 faxes trying to get through at one time...and they only work 3 hours on Fridays...not that they're not there...they only work the 3 hours... "Dave" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:16:32 GMT, "Lonny Bruce" said: Hey, if you want to see something funny, go to your local gov't building, such as your county gov't building. Watch what happens at 5:00. There is a regular stampede of the gov't workers trying to get out the door, complete with their briefcases packed and their coats on. So I figure they start getting ready to leave at 4:45 by putting on thier coats and packing their briefcases, etc, and by extenstion that probably means that they stop work at 4:30 or so. Certainly once 4:15 rolls around they can't start a new project because they will be leaving soon. So each worker wastes that last hour of the day preparing to leave. Yes. I drew that example from reports of a relative about how the guvmint workers in her office would start putting on their coats at 4:45 and sit at their desks bundled up until 5:00 rolled around. |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message READ IT AGAIN. YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE. OMG... now he's targeted Lonny's Ass!!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa..... Gaynzy... you're such a HOMO! CM |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ... In article paG_d.11562$UV2.3075@trnddc04, Lonny Bruce wrote: bs deleted Oh good Gawd Gaynzy..... you're KF'd by most of the people here.... if you want to be noticed like you are at Glory Sail.... at least make an attempt at a comeback... instead of just backing into it!! CM CM |
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