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You're very concerned with penises... that's clear. What's the matter? Don't
your chickens satisfy you any more? YOU'RE A LOSER!!! Bwahahahaaaaaaa.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:dPQYd.22692$i6.10576@edtnps90... You are such a gay little foreskin wrangler Gaynzy! CM "JG" wrote in message ... You're so totally full of **** that even the chickens are laughing. You're an abusive drunk, who claims to be a man but isn't. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:rpNYd.23943$ZO2.16513@edtnps84... "katysails" wrote in message Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... Important? No Kitty.... it's merely par for the course when dealing with Gaynzy. Slapping around of such an obviously annoying little twit isn't done to elevate my standing.... that's already understood. I suppose I could ignore him... but what sport is there in that? You do understand that he brings this action upon himself of his own volition don't you? He is free to communicate in a rational manner but refuses to do so. If he had any senses at all he wouldn't be killfiled by so many people. CM |
Actually, what it really shows is your lack of manhood. Only a weenie would
think that name calling is somehow informative or interesting. As usual, you're showing off of your lack of balls, since you know you would never say anything like this to anyone in person. You're a wimp and a fool. YOU LOST. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hzYYd.49073$fc4.39734@edtnps89... If I was concerned in regards to having time taken away from more important matters.... I would probably not be posting here in the first place. Generally I find myself posting to the group during movie commercials, breaks while engaged in other computer work, waiting for the next level of UT2K4 to load up... unless there is an interesting thread or a viable, challenging opponent to engage. I only subscribe to ASA... since it offers a much better standard of rhetoric and wit. Let's face it... most of the regulars here, have covered in debt almost every topic on sailing... repeatedly Gaynz provides opportunity to test the amount of verbal abuse that can be tolerated by an individual on usegroups. I understand that this is of no interest to some of the other posters here... but a filter which deletes any post containing the word "Gaynz" or "Gaynzy" will clear that up since I will always include those words in my replies to Jon's posts. To date I have found that Jax endured the most abuse until he finally snapped and was forced to take a break. Gaynz is not far behind Jax.... and far less literate.... which isn't saying much. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:rpNYd.23943$ZO2.16513@edtnps84... "katysails" wrote in message Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... Important? No Kitty.... it's merely par for the course when dealing with Gaynzy. Slapping around of such an obviously annoying little twit isn't done to elevate my standing.... that's already understood. I suppose I could ignore him... but what sport is there in that? You do understand that he brings this action upon himself of his own volition don't you? He is free to communicate in a rational manner but refuses to do so. If he had any senses at all he wouldn't be killfiled by so many people. CM |
Yeah, here's another example of fool. He filters me because I asked him if
his mother was a lesbian. But, he leaves unfiltered the likes of Mooron and Scotti Potti. Typical. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Max |
You're the limp wrist. You wouldn't dare say something like this in person.
You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. You're a WIMP. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:RRQYd.22693$i6.17311@edtnps90... DUH!!!.... it proves you're a limp wristed little faggot!!! You fudge packin' little homo! CM "JG" wrote in message ... It proves something to himself. It's a bit sad actually. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xwMYd.23933$ZO2.21646@edtnps84... "JG" wrote in message ... I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just plain stupid. Well now Gaynzy... you're neither aggressive nor assertive... you're just an annoying, whining little homo! Your incapacity of emulating any masculine traits is positive proof that you are a limp wristed, lisping queer! Your tendency to effeminate behaviour has no doubt been the root cause of the abuse you've suffered throughout life. Now why don't you return to memorizing the Vagina Monologues and reapply more Preparation H while awaiting your next caller.... CM |
Mooron has a lot of experience with taking it up the ass.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:uTQYd.22694$i6.4604@edtnps90... Gaynzy thinks he's being assertive when he's takin' it up the ass! You little homo! CM "JG" wrote in message ... You're completely and totally wrong, as usual. Bwahahahaaaaaa.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
No. It's the stupid talking.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... Cut him some slack, Katy. It's the rum talkin'. Max |
Gee Whiz Gaynzy..... It's obvious that your rampant, idiotic blubbering and
incapability to formulate coherent replies has a lot to do with how you are treated..... that and the fact you are a frail limp wristed flaming HOMO!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa.... CM "JG" wrote in message ... Yeah, here's another example of fool. He filters me because I asked him if his mother was a lesbian. But, he leaves unfiltered the likes of Mooron and Scotti Potti. Typical. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Max |
Bwahahahahahahahaaaa.... I'd slap you into a coma !
Heh Gaynzy.... why not pull the sign that says "Enter Here" outta your ass.... then people would pay more attention to the tattoo on your forehead that states " Don't pull on my Ears, I know what I'm doing" Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa..... You limp wristed little HOMO! CM "JG" wrote in message ... You're the limp wrist. You wouldn't dare say something like this in person. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. You're a WIMP. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:RRQYd.22693$i6.17311@edtnps90... DUH!!!.... it proves you're a limp wristed little faggot!!! You fudge packin' little homo! CM "JG" wrote in message ... It proves something to himself. It's a bit sad actually. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xwMYd.23933$ZO2.21646@edtnps84... "JG" wrote in message ... I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just plain stupid. Well now Gaynzy... you're neither aggressive nor assertive... you're just an annoying, whining little homo! Your incapacity of emulating any masculine traits is positive proof that you are a limp wristed, lisping queer! Your tendency to effeminate behaviour has no doubt been the root cause of the abuse you've suffered throughout life. Now why don't you return to memorizing the Vagina Monologues and reapply more Preparation H while awaiting your next caller.... CM |
Gaynzy just had a sperm count done.... it's the first time they ever had to
use a stomach pump to get a sample! Say "A-a-a-h-h-h-h-h-h-h" Gaynzy!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa CM "JG" wrote in message ... No. It's the stupid talking. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... Cut him some slack, Katy. It's the rum talkin'. Max |
Ok, everything's all peaches and roses.
Scout "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 09:35:26 GMT, "Scout" said: btw - did you read the article I linked in reply to your link? Indeed I did. I noted particularly that the article was written at the height of a presidential campaign by people who had a clear ax to grind, that the figures it relied on are two years old, and that the statistics chosen were carefully chosen to omit information that might not support the authors' politics. For example, if the percentage of po' folks remains constant from one year to the next, the number of po' folks will increase, because the population is larger. The article carefully omits any reference to the comparative percentages. Similarly, any mention of median income should be accompanied by a disclosure of mean income. Again omitted. In short, I gave your opinion piece all the weight it deserved. But hey, fanaticize away. |
Bwahahaaa.... you're so obviously insecure about yourself.... keep at it
dufus. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IC0Zd.29872$ZO2.17429@edtnps84... Gee Whiz Gaynzy..... It's obvious that your rampant, idiotic blubbering and incapability to formulate coherent replies has a lot to do with how you are treated..... that and the fact you are a frail limp wristed flaming HOMO!!! Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa.... CM "JG" wrote in message ... Yeah, here's another example of fool. He filters me because I asked him if his mother was a lesbian. But, he leaves unfiltered the likes of Mooron and Scotti Potti. Typical. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Max |
Bwahahaaaaa.... you're a wimp and you know it. It's obvious to EVERYONE!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:%I0Zd.29874$ZO2.3847@edtnps84... Bwahahahahahahahaaaa.... I'd slap you into a coma ! Heh Gaynzy.... why not pull the sign that says "Enter Here" outta your ass.... then people would pay more attention to the tattoo on your forehead that states " Don't pull on my Ears, I know what I'm doing" Bwahahahahahahahahaaaaa..... You limp wristed little HOMO! CM "JG" wrote in message ... You're the limp wrist. You wouldn't dare say something like this in person. You know it, I know it, and everyone else knows it. You're a WIMP. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:RRQYd.22693$i6.17311@edtnps90... DUH!!!.... it proves you're a limp wristed little faggot!!! You fudge packin' little homo! CM "JG" wrote in message ... It proves something to himself. It's a bit sad actually. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "katysails" wrote in message ... Why do you think it's a manly thing to make accusations like that? Not that I'm defending Jon or anything...I just wonder why it seems so important to you... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xwMYd.23933$ZO2.21646@edtnps84... "JG" wrote in message ... I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just plain stupid. Well now Gaynzy... you're neither aggressive nor assertive... you're just an annoying, whining little homo! Your incapacity of emulating any masculine traits is positive proof that you are a limp wristed, lisping queer! Your tendency to effeminate behaviour has no doubt been the root cause of the abuse you've suffered throughout life. Now why don't you return to memorizing the Vagina Monologues and reapply more Preparation H while awaiting your next caller.... CM |
Yup, it's definitely stupid talking.... keep at it Mooron. Someday you might
be mistaken for a man. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:BL0Zd.29875$ZO2.16677@edtnps84... Gaynzy just had a sperm count done.... it's the first time they ever had to use a stomach pump to get a sample! Say "A-a-a-h-h-h-h-h-h-h" Gaynzy!! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa CM "JG" wrote in message ... No. It's the stupid talking. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... Cut him some slack, Katy. It's the rum talkin'. Max |
First-time jobless claims rose 17,000 to 327,000 last week from 310,000 the
prior week, the Labor Department said. Claims hit the highest level in two months and came in above Wall Street economists' forecasts of an unchanged reading of 310,000. Well, there go 17,000 new home sales. Better luck next month Dave. I hear Bush is promising plenty of new jobs in the food and hospitality fields. By the way, thanks for the Reuters' link. Scout http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=7870384 |
Hey, I'm just posting links that support what I'm saying.
I guess you'd never do that. Right Dave? "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:36:42 GMT, "Scout" said: First-time jobless claims rose 17,000 to 327,000 last week from 310,000 Help. The sky is falling. |
To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is
not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
Nah...that's a put-on....he just likes to use the rum as an excuse...
"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... Cut him some slack, Katy. It's the rum talkin'. Max |
Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or
fry you if you take that option... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Max |
Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with
assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
Obvious to everyone but gaynz.
SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IC0Zd.29872$ZO2.17429@edtnps84... Gee Whiz Gaynzy..... It's obvious that your rampant, idiotic blubbering and incapability to formulate coherent replies has a lot to do with how you are treated..... that and the fact you are a frail limp wristed flaming HOMO!!! |
I do hope you don't miss my point Dave.
You criticized my original source, saying it was biased and used 2 year old data. So I used your source to locate current data to support my position, and still you're not happy? Granted, the data are narrow, and perhaps not part of a trend, but if I wait for a trend to develop, you'll dismiss it as old. If you're mind is made up, then why bother discussing this further? Scout "Dave" wrote in message ... On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 20:57:15 GMT, "Scout" said: Hey, I'm just posting links that support what I'm saying. Just don't put too much weight on that straw you're grasping. |
It's obvious to everyone that Scotti Potti is a fool.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... Obvious to everyone but gaynz. SV "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IC0Zd.29872$ZO2.17429@edtnps84... Gee Whiz Gaynzy..... It's obvious that your rampant, idiotic blubbering and incapability to formulate coherent replies has a lot to do with how you are treated..... that and the fact you are a frail limp wristed flaming HOMO!!! |
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 12:00:11 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: Bwahahaaa.... you're so obviously insecure about yourself.... keep at it dufus. Good comeback. NOT! Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to
speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
"katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . .. . . Canada. Max |
Scout, you're talking about Dave? Mr. Poodle? He doesn't engage in
"discussions" unless he's absolutely, 100 percent right, in his own mind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
The rules are... if you require hyperlinks.. you don't know what you're
talking about and quoting a 3rd party don't cut it! You never see me pasting hyperlinks... and I'm always right! The key.... Gentlemen... is to never let facts get in the way of the truth! CM "Scout" wrote in message ... It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
What utter bull****.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . . . . Canada. Max |
Northwest Territory would be nice for them....
"Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . . . . Canada. Max |
No..you're analogy is wrong....we're not talking about Reponses but initial
actions....responses are an entirely different matter...a person can assertively request another to get them a cup of coffee...by doing so, the other person, responding to the assertiveness, does not lose face, does not take on the role of servitude, retains some aspect of equality or equanimity....a person aggressively requesting another get them a cup of coffee negates the importance of that other person, takes away their respect, and lowers their position in regards to others... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1i3Zd.27317$i6.16694@edtnps90... Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
Yeah... that place will straighten out almost anybody... -56c to +38c ... 9
months of winter and 3 months of sailing on a lake the temperature of liquid nitrogen. Nothing but wilderness surrounded by ice. The trout go to 60lbs and you can still bag a grouse dinner in fifteen minutes. You can take 5 caribou every year for meat. The booze is cheap and the women are easy! You get to do and see things most people only dream about. Diamonds, Gold, Oil & Gas....... Gawd I love that place. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Northwest Territory would be nice for them.... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . . . . Canada. Max |
I disagree..... assertiveness is most certainly a response to outside
stimuli. Initial actions cannot be undertaken without the premise of interaction between at least 2 people.... at this point you have the initiation and the response. If you are subject to an assertive request... you must decide upon it's validity, pertinence and reach a decision that you will either comply or refuse. If you decide to comply.... the point of assertive behaviour is moot. You have in effect agreed to be compliant. If you decide to refuse... you have taken a stance that will require to be defended. To effect this will necessitate an aggressive posture. The scale of aggression is directly associated with the level of assertiveness contained by the request. Once you challenge anyone.... you have initiated an aggressive posture.... no matter if it was based on self assertion or dismissal due to mitigating factors. You are still insisting that aggressive behaviour is only identified through violent behaviour... and that is simply incorrect. A person can be very aggressive without being physically violent. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... No..you're analogy is wrong....we're not talking about Reponses but initial actions....responses are an entirely different matter...a person can assertively request another to get them a cup of coffee...by doing so, the other person, responding to the assertiveness, does not lose face, does not take on the role of servitude, retains some aspect of equality or equanimity....a person aggressively requesting another get them a cup of coffee negates the importance of that other person, takes away their respect, and lowers their position in regards to others... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1i3Zd.27317$i6.16694@edtnps90... Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message Yeah... that place will straighten out almost anybody... -56c to +38c ... 9 months of winter and 3 months of sailing on a lake the temperature of liquid nitrogen. Nothing but wilderness surrounded by ice. The trout go to 60lbs and you can still bag a grouse dinner in fifteen minutes. You can take 5 caribou every year for meat. The booze is cheap and the women are easy! You get to do and see things most people only dream about. Diamonds, Gold, Oil & Gas....... Gawd I love that place. Do you write those little brochures for a travel agency? I think I want to go. Max |
The trick here is to not get angry just because others have opinions
differing from one's own. Scout "JG" wrote in message ... Scout, you're talking about Dave? Mr. Poodle? He doesn't engage in "discussions" unless he's absolutely, 100 percent right, in his own mind. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... It's called discussion. Many here engage in it without posting hyperlinks to speak for them. Scout "Dave" wrote Indeed, why post your little diatribe in the first place? |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:lp5Zd.27349$i6.14456@edtnps90... The key.... Gentlemen... is to never let facts get in the way of the truth! There is much truth in that statement! Scout |
The land of Robert Service, my favorite poet!
Scout "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:0U7Zd.56223$fc4.23939@edtnps89... Yeah... that place will straighten out almost anybody... -56c to +38c ... 9 months of winter and 3 months of sailing on a lake the temperature of liquid nitrogen. Nothing but wilderness surrounded by ice. The trout go to 60lbs and you can still bag a grouse dinner in fifteen minutes. You can take 5 caribou every year for meat. The booze is cheap and the women are easy! You get to do and see things most people only dream about. Diamonds, Gold, Oil & Gas....... Gawd I love that place. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Northwest Territory would be nice for them.... "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message "Maxprop" wrote in message nk.net... "katysails" wrote in message Annoyances, in my opinion, are best left ignored...if you pay attention to peetty annoyances, they do become important to you for whatever reason and take time away from things that would be more worthwhile... Amen to that. I filtered Ganz a while back and can't begin to express how different and how pleasant this NG is now. Ganz is one of those spoiled malcontents with juvenile behavior that seem to be able to make NGs a PITA. I only wish it were as easy to make undesirables disappear in real life. g Well, it is as easy but they tend to inject you with deadly substances or fry you if you take that option... Oh, I don't want to kill anyone. Just make them go away / disappear. Ya know, like put them in an Enterprise-type transporter and beam them to, um . . . . Canada. Max |
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 17:03:44 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: What utter bull****. Just like all your posts, Jon-boy. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
You can disagree all you want to...you are wrong. Enjoy your wrongness.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:Yj8Zd.56440$fc4.24526@edtnps89... I disagree..... assertiveness is most certainly a response to outside stimuli. Initial actions cannot be undertaken without the premise of interaction between at least 2 people.... at this point you have the initiation and the response. If you are subject to an assertive request... you must decide upon it's validity, pertinence and reach a decision that you will either comply or refuse. If you decide to comply.... the point of assertive behaviour is moot. You have in effect agreed to be compliant. If you decide to refuse... you have taken a stance that will require to be defended. To effect this will necessitate an aggressive posture. The scale of aggression is directly associated with the level of assertiveness contained by the request. Once you challenge anyone.... you have initiated an aggressive posture.... no matter if it was based on self assertion or dismissal due to mitigating factors. You are still insisting that aggressive behaviour is only identified through violent behaviour... and that is simply incorrect. A person can be very aggressive without being physically violent. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... No..you're analogy is wrong....we're not talking about Reponses but initial actions....responses are an entirely different matter...a person can assertively request another to get them a cup of coffee...by doing so, the other person, responding to the assertiveness, does not lose face, does not take on the role of servitude, retains some aspect of equality or equanimity....a person aggressively requesting another get them a cup of coffee negates the importance of that other person, takes away their respect, and lowers their position in regards to others... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1i3Zd.27317$i6.16694@edtnps90... Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
I'm not certain if you are being compliant or assertive with that statement!
It must be assertive since I sense a bit of aggression.... :-) CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You can disagree all you want to...you are wrong. Enjoy your wrongness. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:Yj8Zd.56440$fc4.24526@edtnps89... I disagree..... assertiveness is most certainly a response to outside stimuli. Initial actions cannot be undertaken without the premise of interaction between at least 2 people.... at this point you have the initiation and the response. If you are subject to an assertive request... you must decide upon it's validity, pertinence and reach a decision that you will either comply or refuse. If you decide to comply.... the point of assertive behaviour is moot. You have in effect agreed to be compliant. If you decide to refuse... you have taken a stance that will require to be defended. To effect this will necessitate an aggressive posture. The scale of aggression is directly associated with the level of assertiveness contained by the request. Once you challenge anyone.... you have initiated an aggressive posture.... no matter if it was based on self assertion or dismissal due to mitigating factors. You are still insisting that aggressive behaviour is only identified through violent behaviour... and that is simply incorrect. A person can be very aggressive without being physically violent. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... No..you're analogy is wrong....we're not talking about Reponses but initial actions....responses are an entirely different matter...a person can assertively request another to get them a cup of coffee...by doing so, the other person, responding to the assertiveness, does not lose face, does not take on the role of servitude, retains some aspect of equality or equanimity....a person aggressively requesting another get them a cup of coffee negates the importance of that other person, takes away their respect, and lowers their position in regards to others... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1i3Zd.27317$i6.16694@edtnps90... Not at all.... everyone has an opinion, that has nothing to do with assertive behaviour. The example of the dog is a poor one since you seem to think that refusal to comply with a request is being assertive. Being assertive is refusal to comply with direction or treatment that exceeds a boundary you have established. Once that refusal is made... aggressive behaviour is enacted, since the action of declining or taking a stand requires it. Let's use another example. If someone where to direct you to fetch coffee... even if done politely, compliance to that request is dependent on several factors. Once you weigh the factors you make a decision to comply or refuse. Now, what I'm saying is that such direction would never be considered nor even directed to an aggressive personality..... since assertiveness goes hand in hand with aggressive behaviour the "direction" would be quickly reconsidered and reduced to a "request". A person who is non-aggressive or not assertive would be the primary candidate for direction due to their perceived position in the pecking order. To elevate yourself in the pecking order requires you take a stand... that action requires you to be aggressive. While you may be assertive in presenting your point of view in this matter... you have as well been aggressively defending your misconceptions. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... To assert mean you have an opinion and are willing to stand by it...that is not aggression....you really have been too far away from civilization and for too long a time....your ideas have become warped and distorted away from the common view....assertiveness is not aggression...assertiveness is when the dog nudges you for a pat and doesn't take No for an answer.but you can still walk away...aggressiveness is when he finally grabs your hand with his teeth and bites down to remind you that he is in control...and the only way you can walk away is to fight back or allow him to win... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:1OYYd.49077$fc4.21489@edtnps89... Absolutely inaccurate assessment on your part Kitty. You seem to assume aggressiveness as truculent behaviour.... that is misleading. To assert is to take a stance.... that alone requires you assume an aggressive posture. The very action of being assertive requires that you are capable of delineating how you will be treated or engaged. You are making a demand of others.... that requires an aggressive posture.... unless you are making a plea... which isn't assertive. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Well, you're wrong again...I'm not interested in doing all the Google searches for the studies, but they're there...assertiveness can be taught and used effectively, without aggression....you probably just don't recognize it because the testosterone stands in the way... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:IyNYd.23951$ZO2.4359@edtnps84... Assertive behaviour is motivated by aggressive stance. If you stand your ground... you are asserting your place... the very act of that is aggressive. The meek can never be taught assertiveness.... I don't care how many classes you give them.... they will fold like superman on laundry day in the face of someone with a true assertive/aggressive personality. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... You're wrong....there are people that specialize in training the meek to be assertive...these people have not got an aggressive bone in their bodies and get walked over....with assertiveness training, they are able to start fending for themselves...has nothing to do with aggression and everything to do with survival.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84... Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a symptom of an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not have to involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend this because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business whereas aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their professions and then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain their goals in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue to rise.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89... I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make erroneous assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male... aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature is not required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in a position of power show an extremely heightened sense of aggressiveness and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with it. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as anything other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked for cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but the idea of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an enlightened society is an anachronism... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84... NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and assertiveness.... which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact I know you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot be assertive without being aggressive. Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that aggression requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression between males has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended by females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our gender. CM CM "katysails" wrote in message ... An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole in the ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the ground. "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84... You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act of asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or your subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This situation is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral indifference. CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am assertive....not aggressive.... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90... Aggression need not be physical.... CM "katysails" wrote in message ... I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the boots, chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing... "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89... You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take your own advise. CM "katysails" wrote in message Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal instinct and start using the tools that were given you to negotiate and walk away from aggression? |
Scout wrote:
The land of Robert Service, my favorite poet! Scout Some years back I was riding in a car with my mother and for some reason starting exchanging verses of "The Cremation of Sam McGee." It turned out we had both memorized it in high school! There are strange things done in the midnight sun By the men who moil for gold; The Arctic trails have their secret tales That would make your blood run cold; The Northern Lights have seen queer sights, But the queerest they ever did see Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge I cremated Sam McGee. This link has the complete poem, worth reading out loud, preferably in front of a fireplace. I never realized that Lake Lebarge, the Alice May, and Sam were all real! http://www.wordfocus.com/wordactcremation.html |
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