"JG" wrote in message
...
No they're not. They've been involved in situations beyond their
control.
Cheating implies some nefarious act.

Not necassarily. If someone files bankrupcy, even though they tried
their hardest and were honest, their creditors are still cheated out
of the money they're owed.

Scotty



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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Well, they're cheating somebody.


"JG" wrote in message
...
I agree, but a very large number are in that situation because of
family
problems, such as illness or death of a spouse or child/parent.
Most
are not
cheating the system.

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"Scout" wrote in message
...
No they don't. What they do is offer the card at a lower rate
and
then let
it crawl like ivy up a wall.
And by the way, I'm all for making bankruptcy more difficult
for
fools in
debt. Why should we all pay for their lack of discipline.
Wouldn't
Neal be
surprised.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote ...
What it means is that people who can scrape together two
nickels to save will get 1.5% interest while credit card
companies
rape
people for 20% (check out Citi-Bank's earnings and policies).

Rape? Anybody that uses a CC deserves what they get charged.
it's not
like they hide the int. rates.

Scotty

"JG" wrote in message
...
What's the opposite of "persoanl bankruptcy"??? Corporate? Like
Enron? Seems
to me that the individual is more important than the corporation.

Well yeah, you don't own a corp. If you did you'd feel different.

SV

Why didn't you send over a couple of union thugs to break his legs?

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Yep, but notice that I carefully couched my reference to "fools in
debt."
There are always legitimate cases where honest people have fallen on
hard
times and it is in the best interest of the rest of us to help them
regain
their balance.
There are others, of course, like the big casino mahof, who hired my
company
to do his mechanical construction and then claimed (planned)
bankruptcy. He
offered us 10 cents on the dollar. As you can see, he is no where
near
bankrupt and planned to let the contractors pay for his casino. We
said no,
beat him in court, and got all of our money.
Scout


"JG" wrote in message
...
I agree, but a very large number are in that situation because of
family
problems, such as illness or death of a spouse or child/parent.
Most are
not cheating the system.

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"Scout" wrote in message
...
No they don't. What they do is offer the card at a lower rate and
then
let it crawl like ivy up a wall.
And by the way, I'm all for making bankruptcy more difficult for
fools in
debt. Why should we all pay for their lack of discipline.
Wouldn't Neal
be surprised.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote ...
What it means is that people who can scrape together two
nickels to save will get 1.5% interest while credit card
companies
rape
people for 20% (check out Citi-Bank's earnings and policies).

Rape? Anybody that uses a CC deserves what they get charged.
it's not
like they hide the int. rates.

Scotty

I believe you are unable to comprehend this
because as a gay you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic.



"JG" wrote in message
...
I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert
one's
rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are
just
plain stupid.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84...
Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive
attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a
symptom of
an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not
have to
involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend
this
because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business
whereas
aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment
lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their
professions and
then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain
their goals
in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue
to
rise....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89...
I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make
erroneous
assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male...
aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature
is not
required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in
a
position of power show an extremely heightened sense of
aggressiveness
and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with
it.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message

...
It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as
anything
other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked
for
cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but
the idea
of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an
enlightened
society is an anachronism...


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84...
NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and
assertiveness....
which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact
I know
you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot
be
assertive without being aggressive.

Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that
aggression
requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression
between males
has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended
by
females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the
situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our
gender.

CM



CM

"katysails" wrote in message

...
An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole
in the
ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the
ground.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84...
You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act
of
asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or
your
subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This
situation
is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral
indifference.

CM


"katysails" wrote in message

...
I am assertive....not aggressive....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90...
Aggression need not be physical....

CM

"katysails" wrote in message

...
I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the
boots,
chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in
message
news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89...
You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take
your
own advise.

CM

"katysails" wrote in
message
Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal
instinct
and start using the tools that were given you to
negotiate and
walk away from aggression?

Nova Scotia????? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa!!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Yeah, in the frozen tundra where no one wants to live. Might make a nice
vacation home. I think I'll stick to the warmer lats.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:47:23 GMT, "Scout" said:

But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape
together 20% of $500K for a down payment.

Happens all the time. And in the Manhattan market, if they have to
scrape
together 20% of $500K for the down payment they're not gonna get to
first
base. The coop board will turn them down.

Isn't that where Bob lives???? Do you think his apartment is worth
$500K??
Man.. $500K will buy you 60 acres of oceanside and a house up this way!
$50K will buy you a 15 acre farm, with house, barns and out
buildings......

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert one's
rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are just
plain stupid.

Well now Gaynzy... you're neither aggressive nor assertive... you're just an
annoying, whining little homo! Your incapacity of emulating any masculine
traits is positive proof that you are a limp wristed, lisping queer! Your
tendency to effeminate behaviour has no doubt been the root cause of the
abuse you've suffered throughout life.

Now why don't you return to memorizing the Vagina Monologues and reapply
more Preparation H while awaiting your next caller....

CM

The creditors were not cheated! They lost money because due to risks
associated with doing business. This is basic business stuff.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
No they're not. They've been involved in situations beyond their
control.
Cheating implies some nefarious act.

Not necassarily. If someone files bankrupcy, even though they tried
their hardest and were honest, their creditors are still cheated out
of the money they're owed.

Scotty



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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Well, they're cheating somebody.


"JG" wrote in message
...
I agree, but a very large number are in that situation because of
family
problems, such as illness or death of a spouse or child/parent.
Most
are not
cheating the system.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
No they don't. What they do is offer the card at a lower rate
and
then let
it crawl like ivy up a wall.
And by the way, I'm all for making bankruptcy more difficult
for
fools in
debt. Why should we all pay for their lack of discipline.
Wouldn't
Neal be
surprised.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote ...
What it means is that people who can scrape together two
nickels to save will get 1.5% interest while credit card
companies
rape
people for 20% (check out Citi-Bank's earnings and policies).

Rape? Anybody that uses a CC deserves what they get charged.
it's not
like they hide the int. rates.

Scotty

Really? I don't?? Wow. Ok.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
What's the opposite of "persoanl bankruptcy"??? Corporate? Like
Enron? Seems
to me that the individual is more important than the corporation.

Well yeah, you don't own a corp. If you did you'd feel different.

SV

Bwahahahaaa... I'm amazed your chickens don't freeze to death. Oh wait... I
forgot, they live in your house.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:tlMYd.23932$ZO2.5515@edtnps84...
Nova Scotia????? Bwahahahahahahahaaaa!!

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
Yeah, in the frozen tundra where no one wants to live. Might make a nice
vacation home. I think I'll stick to the warmer lats.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:YyLYd.23822$ZO2.20783@edtnps84...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:47:23 GMT, "Scout"
said:

But I wouldn't want to be the 25 year old newly wed trying to scrape
together 20% of $500K for a down payment.

Happens all the time. And in the Manhattan market, if they have to
scrape
together 20% of $500K for the down payment they're not gonna get to
first
base. The coop board will turn them down.

Isn't that where Bob lives???? Do you think his apartment is worth
$500K??
Man.. $500K will buy you 60 acres of oceanside and a house up this way!
$50K will buy you a 15 acre farm, with house, barns and out
buildings......

CM

This is how Scotti Potti shows his level of intelligence....

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
I believe you are unable to comprehend this
because as a gay you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic.



"JG" wrote in message
...
I disagree completely. One doesn't have to be aggressive to assert
one's
rights. I believe you're unable to comprehend this because you are
just
plain stupid.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w6LYd.23554$ZO2.23116@edtnps84...
Again you fail to grasp the basic fact that without an aggressive
attitude... you cannot be assertive. Assertiveness is merely a
symptom of
an aggressive nature, as is being competitive. Aggression does not
have to
involve physical violence. I believe you are unable to comprehend
this
because as a female you are guided by emotion as opposed to logic.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Assertiveness works well in the competitive field of business
whereas
aggressiveness will usually land you on the unemployment
lines...aggressive people generally rise fast in their
professions and
then tank out early whereas the consistently assertive attain
their goals
in a non-threatening manner and hold their positions or continue
to
rise....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:N_EYd.46434$fc4.26583@edtnps89...
I believe it is indeed that you do not comprehend.... or make
erroneous
assumptions regarding male aggression. In the average male...
aggressiveness is controlled. To submit that a competitive nature
is not
required in a modern society is illogical. Even the few women in
a
position of power show an extremely heightened sense of
aggressiveness
and a competitive nature. Enlightenment has nothing to do with
it.

CM

"katysails" wrote in message

...
It's not that we don't comprehend..it's that we reject that as
anything
other than what it is....uncontrolled testosterone...it worked
for
cavemen because that's the physical reality they lived in but
the idea
of man (gender, not species) as hunter/gatherer in an
enlightened
society is an anachronism...


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:5huYd.20032$ZO2.7495@edtnps84...
NO! Kitty.... You are confusing aggressiveness and
assertiveness....
which is understandable. I will repeat myself despite the fact
I know
you are not capable of understanding the logic..... You cannot
be
assertive without being aggressive.

Let's take the scenario you utilized.... you assume that
aggression
requires physical intervention. It does not! Aggression
between males
has a multi-tiered level.... none of which can be comprehended
by
females. The level of aggressive behaviour is dependant on the
situation. This is comprehended by even the youngest of our
gender.

CM



CM

"katysails" wrote in message

...
An assertive person makes their point by showing you the hole
in the
ground; an aggressive person puts you in the hole in the
ground.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:gXrYd.19227$ZO2.4609@edtnps84...
You require aggressiveness to be assertive.... the very act
of
asserting yourself, places others as either your equal or
your
subordinate.... despite what they may have perceived. This
situation
is not attained by passive compliance, nor neutral
indifference.

CM


"katysails" wrote in message

...
I am assertive....not aggressive....

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:hTpYd.20694$i6.18071@edtnps90...
Aggression need not be physical....

CM

"katysails" wrote in message

...
I am not a physically aggressive person....except for the
boots,
chains, spurs, etc....but that's not the same thing...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in
message
news:xghYd.40369$fc4.33395@edtnps89...
You may indeed suggest it...... but I'd sooner you take
your
own advise.

CM

"katysails" wrote in
message
Well, may I suggest you rise above your base animal
instinct
and start using the tools that were given you to
negotiate and
walk away from aggression?